Thank you very much to both of you for being here today.
Mr. Goldman, I have a few questions for you, because I know that you've written widely on the European judiciary and you've highlighted some points where in the past they've had difficulty getting indictments. One of the facts was that the courts did not have access to classified information. In a lot of the decisions that were made, they only had access to unclassified information.
Also, you've written about the difficulty with judicial oversight with regard to the people on the list. The two famous cases are the Ahmed case and the Kadi case.
You've also said that probably the Americans, through their inter-executive legal and policy review, have a more robust option.
Knowing the issues that they've had in Europe and the sorts of successes they've had in the United States, could you highlight what you would recommend to this committee in terms of judicial oversight or making sure that in terms of people who are predesignated there would be a more effective way of getting an indictment or making sure the sanctions were effective?