I was going to ask about this sanction fatigue concept.
I wasn't born in Canada. I was born in Poland. My family has always talked about Russia in a very different way from how I hear many people in the west talk about it. But this concept of sanction fatigue is, to me, very cultural and the Russian Federation, the Russian government, in whatever iteration it's appeared as, whether it be the Soviet Union or today under Mr. Putin, tries to outlast the west, so it takes actions according to whatever its best interests are and tries to outlast us.
With this concept you've talked about of sanction fatigue, do you think westerners, western governments, take too short a view on what sanctions are supposed to achieve in terms of coercing either the government or coercing people at, say, the prison warden level or at the KGB police enforcement level to take different decisions, take different actions?