Thank you very much, Ms. Berger, for testifying today.
We've been examining sanctions for a number of weeks now and I'm particularly interested in the idea that sanctions serve as some kind of panacea: impose sanctions and our problems will go away. That's a simplistic generalization, but this is the view that many within the international community seem to have.
I happened to notice today in 38 North, your piece on Canada and how we can help deal with the security threat that North Korea poses.
As far as the effectiveness of sanctions goes and the idea that they can somehow be a panacea, I noted that, and you've mentioned it already, in 2013, drones using Canadian flight control computers made their way into North Korea. There's also the case in 2014 of Dow Canada, whose shipment of chemicals ended up in North Korea. Although you've touched on this already with my colleague's question, could you speak to this? How exactly is it that these products find their way into North Korea, despite the fact that there is already a very strong sanctions regime in place?