I don't understand that the foreign minister has opposed that legislation. From what I understand, he's waiting to see the outcome of the proceedings before this committee. This relates to your opening statement, which is an important one in a larger context, about engagement, let's say, with Russia or other human rights violators.
I think in the world in which we live we have to engage, and I support engagement, but it's not an either-or situation. It's not a question of engagement without sanctions or sanctions without engagement. I think we can both engage, as we need to do, and at the same time sanction, which may be necessary to do. It's not whether to engage, but how to engage.
Simply put, will we be indulgent of Putin's enablers, and thereby become enablers ourselves, however inadvertently, or will we hold the human rights violators to account, at least with respect to our own jurisdiction, in terms of whether they can travel here or launder their assets here? As Boris Nemtsov put it when he was here, and said it best, justice for Sergei Magnitsky legislation is pro-Russian legislation. It's legislation on behalf of the Russian people, but it holds the Russian violators to account.