I just want to underline that I started in French by thanking you both for your presentations, so here it is in English so that you can hear it.
It's very interesting. We had a witness in the first hour who said that Canada, in particular, has been quite invested in Ukraine, but said, essentially—and I don't want to destroy his words too much—that everything done by the international community hadn't led to good results because of the remaining level of corruption and everything.
Do both of you have any ideas as to the way forward with respect to Ukraine and to international support for Ukraine? What should we be aiming at?