Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I also want to thank our two witnesses for being here this morning.
My question relates to what you said earlier. We've heard testimony with regard to Ukraine indicating that the efforts to date to fight corruption and ensure good governance haven't always produced the desired results, given the extent of these efforts.
Some people also talked about reform fatigue in Ukraine. How do you view the progress made and how much have Ukrainians embraced the need for reform? Are they simply under the impression that the need has been imposed from the outside?