I thank both of our witnesses for their very interesting testimony.
I'll start with you, Mr. Caroline. In one of your quotes, you said that for these negotiations that are happening away from “prying eyes”, it's time to make them more formalized. I'm wondering whether that also adds complications in some cases where an arrangement for release might be achieved because of the lack of profile of a case. I think of the William Sampson case under the previous Liberal government. Ultimately, his release, it appears, was secured by a prisoner exchange, but obviously there wasn't discussion about that at the time.
Would you care to comment on how making it too public could complicate the negotiations?