Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I have taken the opportunity to listen to the presenters who have previously spoken to the committee and have found doing so very informative. I've listened to Mr. Pardy's words, Alex Neve's words, and Mr. Fahmy's words, and those of the representative of consular affairs.
I would like to offer up four points for the committee's consideration to put things in the perspective that I suggest should be taken with regard to the cases that involve what I call wrongful detention of Canadians abroad. I would also then like to very quickly go through my experience in a very specific case that I think is quite illustrative of the points I'd like to make.
Point one is that as a general rule, I suggest that consular affairs takes the wrong approach to wrongful detention cases.
My second point is that consular affairs should adopt a practice that's an across-the-board system for advocating in wrongful detention cases. I'll go into depth about what I mean by advocacy, but it certainly means more than engaging in diplomacy, as Mr. Caroline has said, or seeking consular access, which I've heard time and again from consular officials.
The third point is that consular affairs should abandon the mistaken impression that it has no right to protest about the treatment of Canadians in a foreign jurisdiction or the legal process that they're subjected to in a foreign jurisdiction.
My final point is that consular official representatives should be trained to be good advocates; by that, I mean not just to go through the motions of sending démarches, but to do much more.
Let me elaborate.
Going to my first point about taking the wrong approach, I want to make it clear that I'm not speaking, nor are my colleagues speaking, to the other kinds of cases you've heard about: the kidnapping and child abduction cases, the evacuation cases. My impression as an outsider in all of that is that consular affairs does a stellar job in those situations, and I have nothing to add or criticize.
When we're talking about the wrong approach on these kinds of cases, however, we're talking about a systemic problem that I suggest exists with regard to the attitude and the outlook about what these wrongful detention cases are all about. These are the politically motivated cases, the human rights-related cases that we're all familiar with.
I suggest that Canadians should and Parliament should view wrongful detention cases abroad in a way similar to the way it views wrongful conviction cases in Canada. We have a stellar history here in Canada about recognizing how a wrongful conviction can undermine the criminal justice system. I suggest, as Mr. Caroline has suggested, that we have to be outraged as Canadians when there's a wrongful detention abroad. We have to treat those kinds of cases with the same kind of concern with which we treat wrongful conviction cases.
The final point I'd like to make here with regard to taking the wrong approach is that advocacy is so central to these kinds of cases that I would be fearful if ultimately a duty were imposed on consular affairs to protect Canadians abroad without specifying that consular affairs must advocate to fulfil that duty. I am not convinced, and I believe my colleagues are not convinced, that this is clearly understood and associated with the whole idea of assisting Canadians in these kinds of cases.
To come to my second point, I suggest that consular affairs should adopt the practice of advocating. By that I mean that a distinction has to be drawn between diplomacy and advocacy.
I thought Mr. Pardy drew a very useful distinction between state-to-state relations in normal foreign affairs situations and representation of a Canadian national abroad in the kinds of cases we're speaking about. Those are two very distinct kinds of situations, and I suggest that the distinction has to be kept in mind.
Because it's not diplomacy, it's not just about exchanging views and seeking peaceful relations with another state; it's about developing a position on behalf of a Canadian, making arguments in support of that position based on human rights treaties and other laws that apply, and putting that position forward in a forceful way to the foreign government.
The other distinction I'd like to draw here to illustrate what I'm saying about advocacy versus something else is that consular access is not the be-all and end-all of assisting Canadians abroad, although I'd suggest to you that if you listen again to the testimony of the officials from the government, what you hear time and again is that it's all about access and that we fight for access.
Think of it this way. If as a lawyer I have access to my client, at least I have an ability to speak to him, and that's paramount. I have to go forward, however, and come up with a strategy. I also have to advocate; I can't just say, “Well, I've fulfilled my obligations: I've consulted with the detained person abroad.”
My point three is that there is a mistaken impression, I suggest, at consular affairs that Canada has no right to criticize the legal process of the treatment of Canadians abroad. In my submission, this is a misunderstanding about international law. Canada has the right to intervene under international law on behalf of Canadians, when there is a Canadian national who has been denied justice—that's the expression, “denial of justice”—or subjected to mistreatment in a foreign country. Think of it as an exception to the sovereign immunity principle.
In my career as an international business lawyer, in most countries in the world, outside of a few mature democracies, there is no rule of law or a very weak rule of law. There is rampant corruption, which means corruption of the judiciary; there is rampant political manipulation of the judiciary, which means there are political problems left and right that have to be dealt with. You don't have to take my word for it, of course. There are all sorts of human rights reports from esteemed organizations. Indeed, the O'Connor commission, way back in time, pointed this out.
Canada has, in my submission, a duty to exercise this right to intervene. It's not just a moral duty, although I think that should be enough; it's actually, I would argue, a legal duty under international law. I'd be happy to talk about that further, if the panel is interested.
My last point is that consular affairs representatives should be trained to advocate and should learn the basics of how to do so. I thought Mr. Neve made very insightful points about the importance of imaginative and innovative advocacy, but let me give you concrete examples. Indeed, Mr. Neve alluded to some of the ones I'm going to allude to. I will explain how those were central to the case that I will talk about at the end.
The first and paramount thing that Mr. Fahmy referred to is that there must be high-level representation in the most severe cases. Here I'm talking about a government minister, a senator, an esteemed parliamentarian, perhaps a human rights expert, and sometimes the Prime Minister of Canada. It's a situation in which consular affairs should push for that internally and urge it upon the ministers, not sit back and wait for it to happen when there is political or media pressure.
The second way to be creative is to collaborate with legal counsel. I have never yet had a case—and I've had many—in which the department is willing to collaborate with me. I know I have an obnoxious personality from time to time, but I am told by my colleagues that they have the same experience.
There are two more points I'd like to make here.
Don't rule out public statements. Think about the Fahmy case. Think about how the Prime Minister of Australia spoke out strongly and got his Aussie out a lot faster than Mr. Fahmy got out. I suggest to you that this kind of advocacy, in certain situations, has worked.
The final thing is to build alliances, as Mr. Neve said. Look for third party involvement. Find allies and collaborate with them. Let me give you very quickly my personal experience with regard to the case of Michael Kapoustin. He was 10 years in the Bulgarian prison system when I first interacted with him in 2005. His family appealed to me to help.
Based on principle, I decided to, because I was concerned about the way government works in these kinds of cases, and also because it was such a hardship case. Gar Pardy was involved. Even though he was no longer head of consular affairs, he took it seriously. He did a yeoman's job of trying to help. I met right away with Mr. Pardy and asked for his advice. He always gives me good advice. He said, “There's no way you will break the logjam unless you get the Prime Minister involved.”
I went to the parliamentary secretary to the Prime Minister at the time, Jason Kenney, who was good enough to give me an audience. He said he'd give me 20 minutes, and he ended up giving me a lot longer. I argued vigorously to him that there was no due process in the case, that there were human rights violations, that Canada had virtually forgotten the man after 10 years, and that something had to be done. He said that he was willing to take it up with the Prime Minister and asked me what we should do. I recommended that the Prime Minister personally intervene, and I told him about how Mr. Pardy, based on his experience, thought that was paramount.
Ultimately, Mr. Kenney was appointed as special envoy on behalf of the Prime Minister. As soon as he was, he reached out to me and discussed with me what would be the best way to proceed. He collaborated with me. We agreed that we would collaborate along the way to do what was best for Mr. Kapoustin.
I suggested that we meet with the prosecutor general of Bulgaria, the highest-level official in the justice system, and insist on the delivery back of Mr. Kapoustin. Mr. Kenney agreed. He went there personally. He invited me to join in the sessions, which is virtually unprecedented. I have tremendous respect for his willingness to do that. In the session, the prosecutor general apologized profusely for the way Mr. Kapoustin had been treated and made an astounding admission: he said that keeping Mr. Kapoustin in the Bulgarian prison system for that long was like a form of torture.
Well, of course, if you know what goes on in these kinds of countries, that doesn't really mean much, because after that nothing happened. There was no release. I then recommended to Mr. Kenney that we trigger the mediation provision under the transfer treaty between Bulgaria and Canada. It's a Council of Europe treaty. The Council of Europe will intervene in such cases. At that point, this had never been contemplated by consular affairs.
Mr. Kenney accepted the recommendation and ultimately went to Strasbourg, inviting me to join him. We met with the highest levels of officials. We persuaded them, I believe because based on past actions it seemed that a lot of pressure had been exerted on Bulgaria to do something about it and take it up. I lost involvement in it at that point, because it involved government-to-government relations.
Ultimately, we were able to secure Mr. Kapoustin's release after about two and a half years. I have no doubt that the high-level intervention of Mr. Kenney, his willingness to take up these creative steps, and to work with me collaboratively had a lot to do with it—a tremendous amount—but let me tell you one more thing before I stop. I'm sorry that I'm going over the time.
Throughout this process, the consular affairs officials refused to deal with me. They refused to trigger the mediation process at the Council of Europe. I believe that Mr. Kenney, although I can't speak for him, managed to persuade the consular affairs officials to trigger it. Whatever happened, it didn't happen because of my appeal. Ultimately, the ambassador to the Council of Europe, even after the mediation process was triggered, didn't want to go and advocate on behalf of Mr. Kapoustin, so I went back to Strasbourg and met with her.
I took with me Peter Leuprecht, an esteemed human rights activist and former deputy head of the Council of Europe. I believe he was the dean of the Faculty of Law at McGill at the time, or the Université de Montréal. I asked Mr. Leuprecht to explain to the Canadian ambassador to the Council of Europe what her job really was in this situation, which was that she should consider seriously advocating for Mr. Kenney, that it really was her duty. Throughout all of the interaction, I can tell you quite honestly that the ambassador was most concerned about offending the Bulgarian government. Just imagine that: offending the Bulgarian government.
Anyway, ultimately, as I say, the release was secured, and I'm eternally grateful to Mr. Kenney for his involvement.
I want to wrap up by simply saying thank you so much for giving me the time. I'm sorry that I've been so direct. I mean no disrespect to any of the consular officials, who I know work so hard and so well, but I suggest to you that there's a leadership problem in the department, and there is a cultural problem, and there's no other way to deal with this without getting it out in the open and talking about it.