Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to both our witnesses.
Without casting any doubts on anything you're saying, I'd like to understand how you gather both your intelligence and your evidence.
Strong statements have been made on exactly what's happening. I feel like I'm speaking to intelligence officers or people who are engaged in that activity.
From both of you, I'm just wondering how you get your information. How is it verified by double source? How do you get it?