Evidence of meeting #122 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was israel.

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Alexandre Lévêque  Assistant Deputy Minister, Europe, Middle East and Arctic Branch , Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Sébastien Beaulieu  Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Emergency Management, Legal and Consular Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 122 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development. Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format.

I'd like to remind participants of the following points. Please do wait until I recognize you by name before you speak. Also, members, if you are joining us virtually, you should raise your hand if you wish to speak.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted on Thursday, October 3, 2024, the committee commences a briefing on the current situation in Lebanon.

I'd like to welcome our three witnesses.

We're very grateful to have here, from the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, Mr. Sébastien Beaulieu, acting assistant deputy minister for emergency management, legal and consular affairs; Mr. Alexandre Lévêque, assistant deputy minister, Europe, Middle East and Arctic branch; and Ms. Teresa Crockett, acting executive director for accountability, human rights and United Nations law.

I understand that only one of you will be making opening remarks.

Mr. Lévêque, you're a pro at this. You have been here many times. You will have five minutes for your opening remarks, after which we will open it to the members for questions.

Mr. Lévêque, thank you for being here. The floor is yours.

Alexandre Lévêque Assistant Deputy Minister, Europe, Middle East and Arctic Branch , Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Honourable members of the committee, I want to thank you for inviting us today to speak about the situation in Lebanon.

As you know, Canada and Lebanon have very close ties. The Lebanese community in Canada numbers over 200,000 people, while more than 50,000 Canadians live in Lebanon.

This year marks 70 years of diplomatic relations between both countries. Since 2023, Canada has celebrated Lebanese Heritage Month in November. This year, however, it will take place against a backdrop of a devastating situation in the country.

The escalating conflict has already had a severe impact. Over 2,500 people have been killed, and 9,000 people have been injured. Over 1.2 million people have been displaced from their homes.

We express our heartfelt condolences to all the families and communities affected by the violence. We are sad to hear of the deaths of Canadian citizens.

Since the beginning of the conflict, Canada has expressed its concern with the ongoing fighting between Hezbollah and Israel. Not only is it having a disproportionate impact on civilians on both sides of the blue line separating Israel and Lebanon, but it also poses a significant threat to security and stability in the wider region.

Along with our G7 partners, Canada is advocating for a ceasefire to pave the way for a diplomatic solution. We have also reaffirmed our full support for the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, UNIFIL, and the critical role it plays in promoting a settlement that complies with UN Security Council Resolution 1701.

Canada remains committed to diplomacy as the only suitable path to stabilize the Israel-Lebanon border; to fully restore the sovereignty, territorial integrity and stability of Lebanon; and to return displaced citizens to their homes with safety and security in both Lebanon and Israel.

Canada firmly condemns Hezbollah's continued attacks on Israel. We cannot forget that one of the stated goals of Hezbollah, a listed terrorist entity, is the very destruction of the State of Israel.

Hezbollah's attacks on Israel serve only to further destabilize the region. As such, Canada supports Israel's right to self-defence in accordance with international law. Indeed, all parties to the conflict must uphold their obligations under international law to ensure the safety and security of civilians, as well as the protection of first responders and UNIFIL personnel. Like our G7 partners, Canada was dismayed by the Israel Defense Forces' attacks affecting the UNIFIL positions along the Blue Line.

The humanitarian impact of the conflict in Lebanon is enormous. In 2024, Canada has committed nearly $50 million in humanitarian assistance to Lebanon. The displaced population includes Syrian refugees, some of whom have started to return to Syria. Canada insists that any return of refugees must be safe, dignified and voluntary, in accordance with international law.

The humanitarian crisis in Lebanon is unfolding while it already grapples with a severe political and economic domestic crisis. Poverty in Lebanon has more than tripled over the past decade, reaching 44% of the total population. Lebanon has been without a president since October 2022. Canada has been a steady partner in addressing Lebanon's longer-term development challenges while urging it to elect a president, form a new government and enact essential reforms without delay. Since 2016, Canada has allocated over $136 million in development assistance to Lebanon under the Middle East strategy.

Canada has also funded peace and security programs in Lebanon. In co-operation with the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces, we are providing training, equipment and infrastructure to the Lebanese armed forces so that they can counter terrorist and transnational criminal threats while ensuring the integrity and security of Lebanon's borders.

Finally, Canada remains concerned about the thousands of Canadians currently living in Lebanon. Since October 2023, we have been advising Canadians to avoid all travel to Lebanon or, for those who are there, to leave while commercial options remain available. The department has also improved its contingency planning with other government departments and like-minded partners, including a non-combatant evacuation operation, if required.

As the security situation deteriorated in late September, Global Affairs Canada facilitated options for Canadians, permanent residents and their eligible family members to leave Lebanon. As a result, over 1,500 departures were facilitated, including for 300 internationals. The Government of Canada continues to provide information about departure opportunities on commercial flights out of Lebanon.

I look forward to your questions.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Thank you, Mr. Lévêque.

We'll now turn to the members for questions. First up is MP Chong.

You have five minutes.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you for appearing in front of our committee.

You mentioned that you facilitated 1,500 departures from Lebanon. Is that correct?

By “departures”, does that mean...?

Let me ask the question differently: How many flights have you facilitated leaving Lebanon? How many seats have been on those flights? What portion was filled by Canadian citizens and permanent residents? What portion was filled by other foreign nationals? What percentage has been empty?

That's my first question.

3:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Europe, Middle East and Arctic Branch , Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Alexandre Lévêque

My colleague Sébastien Beaulieu is the expert and lead official on this, so I will turn to him.

Sébastien Beaulieu Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Emergency Management, Legal and Consular Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

I'm happy to report that, since September 29, over 1,500 people have departed on commercial flights. We block-reserved seats on MEA flights and also chartered aircraft for departures from Beirut to Istanbul. Over 1,200 Canadians, permanent residents and immediate family have departed on what amounts to 16 distinct flights from Beirut. This was an effort to supplement or augment commercial capacity. I'm pleased to report that capacity has now been restored and people can book today for flights out tomorrow to other capitals in the region.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Who paid for the chartered seats, and who paid for the commercial seats?

3:50 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Emergency Management, Legal and Consular Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Sébastien Beaulieu

The block reservations were made by us. Clients were then invited to make their own bookings through MEA on regularly scheduled flights. For the charter flights, there was cost recovery—the equivalent of an MEA flight to Istanbul.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Okay. The charter flights were on a cost-recovery basis.

Were the commercial flights paid for on a cost-recovery basis as well?

3:50 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Emergency Management, Legal and Consular Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Sébastien Beaulieu

They were paid for directly by MEA clients.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

I understand.

Therefore, 1,200 Canadians and permanent residents have been evacuated to date. Is that correct?

3:50 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Emergency Management, Legal and Consular Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Sébastien Beaulieu

They opted to depart on seats that were made available to them.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Okay. Thank you for that.

You referenced this, but what is the state of commercial airline travel to Lebanon right now? Has it been fully or partially restored?

3:50 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Emergency Management, Legal and Consular Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Sébastien Beaulieu

Over the past month, it has varied between 50 and 100 flights a day to various destinations.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Thank you.

I have another question relating to this. What diplomatic assets do you have on the ground in Lebanon? Has that presence been maintained, scaled back or expanded? What is the state of our diplomatic and consular presence there?

3:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Europe, Middle East and Arctic Branch , Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Alexandre Lévêque

I don't recall the exact number of diplomats we have serving right now in Lebanon. I want to say that about 10 or so days ago, given the security situation in Beirut, we did a partial evacuation of non-essential personnel and their families. About a third of the personnel we relocated to Cyprus, so nearby, with the understanding that as soon as the situation stabilizes, or in the case of a rush of activity and a need to count on these people, they could come back into the country.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Okay.

With regard to the method of communicating with the some 50,000 Canadian citizens you referenced who live in Lebanon, is that primarily through the operations centre here in Ottawa, via email, text and electronic means, or is that primarily through our presence on the ground in Lebanon?

3:55 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Emergency Management, Legal and Consular Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Sébastien Beaulieu

We have various means of communicating with Canadians abroad. The main one is through ROCA, the registry of Canadians abroad, whereby we invite Canadians who are living or travelling in a particular country to register with us to get the latest information. Currently about 25,000 people are registered on the ROCA system. We use that to send information to the registrants. We've used it many times over the past month to reach out and offer specific departure options and safety information to Canadians, obviously in addition to our travel advice, which is published.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

I'll say this just as a quick comment, and maybe you could comment later in your testimony. The Government of Canada evacuated some 15,000 Canadians from Lebanon in 2006. Obviously, this is not at a scale near that right now. I understand that the Government of Canada has worked with close allies and partners on a much bigger evacuation plan. Maybe you could tell us whether this initial evacuation of some 1,200 citizens is part of that or if that larger plan with allies and partners is a different plan.

3:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Europe, Middle East and Arctic Branch , Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Alexandre Lévêque

I think the first distinction I'd like to introduce is the fact that the 1,200 my colleague referred to were not evacuated. This was an assisted departure.

I'll turn to Sébastien to complete the answer to your question, but I also want to say, to your question about how we communicate with Canadians, that it is not a single directional communication. Canadians who want to get in touch with the mission on the ground absolutely can and often do so. It's not just us pushing out messages. We have a consular team in Beirut ready to take calls and visits from Canadians all the time.

3:55 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Emergency Management, Legal and Consular Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Sébastien Beaulieu

Over the past month, we've received 10,000 interactions and inquiries from Canadians on the situation in Lebanon. To give an order of magnitude of the activity today, there were 60 calls in the past 24 hours. The relative flow of requests for information has waned.

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Thank you.

Go ahead, Ms. McPherson.

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Chair, you had said these were five-minute rounds. I noticed that round was six minutes.

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Yes, I do apologize. That was my oversight.

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Would it be possible for all of us to have six minutes for this first round?