Thank you both for being here.
While I am loath to make speeches and I like to ask questions, I want to start by saying that one of your comments struck me. If there is one message I want you to take back with you, it is that we will not be worn out. Neither the Government of Canada nor, I believe, the Parliament of Canada is going to be worn out by Putin and his war. I want you to take that back.
It's not easy, because fatigue sets in, but I think we are energized by two things. The first is the dissidents, who continue to be brave in Russia and continue to speak, continue to work and continue to act. The second is the people of Ukraine, who continue to fight and act. That is empowering to us. Please take that message back with you.
Following up on Mr. Chong, there are a couple of areas I want to talk about.
When we look at and are trying to discern the difference between Russians and Putin, it blurs, because he has such massive support at times. In your understanding—and I know you don't have complete access to all this sort of information—is it respect for Putin, is it fear of Putin or is it fatigue and powerlessness that seem to be the enemy of enabling Russia to be what Russia should be?