Evidence of meeting #37 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Ariane Gagné-Frégeau
Miriam Cohen  Associate Professor, Faculty of Law, Université de Montréal, As an Individual
Lindsey McKay  Assistant Teaching Professor, Faculty of Arts, Thompson Rivers University , As an Individual
Jagbir Gill  Vice-President, Canadian Society of Transplantation

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

No, we don't, Ms. Fry, and that's really frustrating, because I'm just trying to work through here.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Mr. Hoback, you do not have the floor right now. You have not been recognized, Mr. Hoback.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

You have not recognized anybody else, so I still have the floor until you—

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Yes, I have recognized other people.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Who?

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

I just recognized him for his point of order, Mr. Hoback.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Hedy Fry Liberal Vancouver Centre, BC

Yes, a point of order supersedes everything.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Sameer Zuberi Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Mr. Hoback just admitted that he was trying to—

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

No, I did not.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Sameer Zuberi Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Yes, you did. Look at the minutes that will emerge from this meeting.

You've just admitted that you want to.... After about two minutes of questioning of this witness from your own party, a Conservative member of the Senate, you want to stop her from speaking to this piece of legislation that has been winding its way through this House for the last 15 years because you want to discuss the issue of a turbine that is not even being used right now.

We've discussed this turbine issue at length. It's unbelievable and shocking. On the one hand you filibuster us, this committee, for weeks on end, and then, on the other hand, you want to give us two minutes to discuss this issue.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Mr. Zuberi, I think now you are getting into debate.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Sameer Zuberi Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

I am? Okay. On my point of order, I'm sorry; I got lost because of all these weird points of order that came about.

My point of order is that there was a motion in front of us that is to be debated, and it cannot be withdrawn. Now we are debating that motion that Mr. Hoback brought to us, which must be debated and cannot be withdrawn despite the fact that he would like to have presented it as a non-debatable motion. The fact of the matter is that we must debate this, so let's get into it.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

I have a point of order on that.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Actually, before we get to your point of order, what I would like to say is that at the very start, I did say that this motion is inadmissible, in my opinion, because it's not relevant to what is before us today for consideration. Now the clerk says that you're absolutely right that this is a motion that is inadmissible.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

The original motion is, but I've added a second motion to that in light of your ruling.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

The motion that you....

I'm sorry...?

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

I've added a second motion in light of your ruling. We're dealing with the second motion. You ruled that the original motion was not in order.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Clerk, could you speak on that? I'm not sure, but if it's....

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Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

I read it. I'll read it again.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Is it a substantive motion?

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Yes, it is.

No. I'm sorry. It's a dilatory motion.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

You're not allowed to move a substantive motion. That's the issue.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

It's a dilatory motion. I'm sorry.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Okay. Well....

Mr. Bergeron, you have a point of order.

5:10 p.m.

Bloc

Stéphane Bergeron Bloc Montarville, QC

Mr. Chair, I have put myself on the list of people who wish to speak. However, I feel that the only way to speak in this debate is on a point of order. Can I, too, raise a point of order to speak, or is that reserved for the other members of this committee, Mr. Chair?