Colleagues, we're getting into debate here. As I said, we are waiting for another panel, but thank you both for those points.
On our collective behalf, I'd like to thank our three witnesses for their time this afternoon and for their insights. We will give them an opportunity to disconnect. Please keep safe and thank you again for joining us today.
Madam Clerk, we will briefly sound check the second panel and resume shortly.
We'll be suspending for about two to five minutes, maximum.