Thank you, Chair, and I want to thank the witnesses for being here.
I am particularly concerned about what Ms. Moret has pointed out, even though it would seem to be difficult. If sanctions are going to work, have we...? We can't evaluate what the impact of it has been. It looks like in Myanmar we haven't changed anything. Really, things are worse.
Do we have indicators that we can use, for instance, to measure and look at how we're getting to where we want to go? What happens if you sanction the country and that country continues to escalate its behaviour against human rights, etc.? How do we know if that happens? How can we, for instance, look at loopholes? If we don't have indicators and we can't measure, we can spend tons and tons of money trying to do something that in fact has no impact.
Do you know any country that has developed at least a set of indicators or some form of benchmark measurements that we can use to at least, even if crudely, evaluate what's going on?