In our focus groups we asked students about their destination of choice. Was it the private sector or was it the public sector? With the exception of master's of public administration students, by far it was the private sector, because they have a stereotypical view, I would add, that somehow or other the private sector is sexier and has more to offer than the public sector. Their view of the public sector is also a stereotype: it's staid, there's no risk taking, no innovation, and no great technology, which is in fact often not the case.
That did come up. I am aware as well of the study, which one of your previous witnesses mentioned, done by D-Code, which is a consulting firm in Toronto, and Brainstorm Consulting in Vancouver. Of roughly 30,000 university students, when asked where they wanted to work, their second choice, next to IBM, was the Government of Canada. I thought that was really interesting. Actually, it was shocking, from my perspective, given what I had heard. I'm pleased to say that I don't know—