To follow up on Mr. Kramp's suggestion, I certainly agree we need to look at it.
The question I would have is whether one meeting with the government official is going to help us. I have always found on my other committees, for example in agriculture, that what we heard in Ottawa was that everything was wonderful, but when you went out in the field where the cows pooped on the ground, the reality was so dramatically different that we would probably need to look at who we need to bring forward, and I think have a discussion to make sure that we're not comparing apples and oranges, to make sure that if we're going to have a private sector comparison, it is comparable.
I certainly think we need to hear from PSAC. If there's massive discontent and people are leaving for reasons, I'd like to hear that. There has to be something to explain a 76% turnover in a year. It's a big issue. I'm not saying we shouldn't do it before Christmas, but I think we have to make sure that we bring the people forward who we can all agree are going to give us enough of a clear picture that we can make clear recommendations.