Okay. The crown corporation is a bad idea. We don't need another crown corporation. There are enough structures up here. Believe you me, that's not something we require.
Fads, fashion--look at 40 years of ownership. I looked at 40 years of ownership of these assets. It's not a fad. It's not a fashion. I'm seeing a trend. Unmistakably, I know where this is going. It's going to another 25 years of bad management. It's not because people here are not competent. It's just the structure around which we're asking them to work.
Madame Marleau was minister, and I see her nodding from time to time. You don't see her, but she knows what I mean. It's difficult. You're trying to invest in a building. You need this guy's approval. You need five people to bid. You need another person's approval, five signatures. It is complicated.
So it's not a fad; it's not fashion. It's just the way things work up here.
What was your last question? It wasn't on Hollinger. I don't want to talk about that. It was on people.
The first people I think about are taxpayers. I'm sure you do as well. The other people I think about are those 12,000 public servants who are in those buildings, some of whom are in the Harry Hays Building. Mr. Dewar was talking about people in his riding who are against this. I don't know about that, but I can tell you, I was in Calgary two weeks ago. I met three people who told me they worked in that building and they were looking forward to having Larco as a landlord and as an owner so that finally work will get done, improvements will happen in that building, for which they've been waiting for several years.