Evidence of meeting #22 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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President, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
It really comes back to that discussion we had in camera.
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NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
Well, I'm not asking for a dollar figure so much as 80-20 or 50-50. No one knows what your markup is, except those of us in this room. So I don't think there's anything commercially sensitive about your telling me how much is billable, of the $5.4 billion, in the sense that you can add your markup to it and make earnings from it.
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President, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
That would be about 50%.
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Senior Vice-President, Facility Management, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
Yes, approximately 50% is in that category, and the other 50% is in the operations and maintenance category.
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NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
Well, that's very helpful. That gives me an idea of how much it's costing us, above and beyond the actual cost, to have you employed by us.
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Senior Vice-President, Facility Management, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
Maybe if we could clarify that as well, if the work were being done by a landlord, for example, in the lease portfolio of the government, which is a significant portfolio, you would be paying a substantial fee on top of that—more so than is the case here.
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NDP
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Senior Vice-President, Facility Management, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
Oh, I'm not speaking of that. It's only in the normal practice, as you know, for lease portfolios.
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NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
Well, I don't mind people marking stuff up. I'm just saying that when it gets into hundreds of millions of dollars a year, maybe we should be revisiting this idea and maybe it should be done in-house, if as a taxpayer we could show a business case that it would be cheaper for us to do it in-house. Perhaps you're the wrong people to ask, but I think a lot of Canadians would agree that we should save a couple hundred million dollars and do it in-house.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
Could you wrap up? You have 40 seconds.
You're done? Okay.
Thank you for being here. I think you had two requests from Madame Faille. One was for the performance report.
Did I hear you correctly? Did you ask for the performance report—
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General Manager, Public Works and Government Services Canada, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
The 28 risks.
Key performance indicators—
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Bloc
Meili Faille Bloc Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC
Since they have had the contract. I think it was Brookfield before, in 2005.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
Okay, and how soon can we get it? Can we get it by June 16? Yes.
And the second thing was a copy of the fairness monitoring report.
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President, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
We don't have that.
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General Manager, Public Works and Government Services Canada, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
It's actually a Public Works document.
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General Manager, Public Works and Government Services Canada, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
We'd be very interested in seeing it, though.
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A voice
Oh, oh!
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
Okay.
I'd like to thank you for being here.
I will suspend the meeting for 30 seconds, and then we have committee business to deal with.
Committee members, we have before us some business. We have a notice of motion that was presented by Ms. Coady.
I understand, Ms. Mendes, you are going to be speaking to it.
