Evidence of meeting #22 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John McBain  Assistant Deputy Minister, Real Property Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Frank Brunetta  Assistant Deputy Minister, Departmental Oversight Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Charles Rate  President, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
Martin Lefebvre  General Manager, Public Works and Government Services Canada, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
Justin Sharp  Senior Vice-President, Facility Management, SNC Lavalin Operations and Maintenance (O & M)
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Marc-Olivier Girard

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Chris Warkentin Conservative Peace River, AB

Okay, so you believe inappropriate lobbying--

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Has anything been told to Mr. Hamilton that inappropriate lobbying was being done? Was it what caused--

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Chris Warkentin Conservative Peace River, AB

That would be the mandate of this committee, then.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

It would be an item for this committee to study, yes, absolutely.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Chris Warkentin Conservative Peace River, AB

Thank you.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Go ahead, Mr. Holder.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Holder Conservative London West, ON

Madam Chair, I thought Ms. Mendes and I were actually in accord here, but now I'm somewhat confused. By her own comments, she wants to determine why Ms. Guergis was thrown out of committee, to use her words. I didn't think that was the intention--

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

I believe I said “out of caucus”.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Holder Conservative London West, ON

It was out of caucus; sorry. I apologize.

I didn't think that was the purpose. We're talking about the green fund.

I want to come back to you on specific intent, if I may, Madam Chair.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Yes.

Let's see if we have some clarity around it. I think you asked the question, Mr. Warkentin, about its pertaining to the green fund. We were studying the green fund and discussing the information that Mr. Hamilton is bringing to the green fund. That's the linkage that—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Chris Warkentin Conservative Peace River, AB

What information is that, as it relates to the green fund?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

I'm asking her to clarify.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

What we want to find out is whether Mr. Hamilton had any information, either from Mr. Snowdy or from any other source, that gave him or raised a red alert about inappropriate lobbying, because Ms. Guergis is married to Mr. Jaffer, the person who we think was doing inappropriate lobbying. That's what we'd like to find out. I think that's one of the reasons we'd be interested in interviewing Mr. Hamilton.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

It is privileged access.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

It is privileged access, yes.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Chris Warkentin Conservative Peace River, AB

We're having a vote, then, as to whether a person should be coming to this committee to discuss whether they have privileged access in terms of their capacity to lobby.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

I guess.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Chris Warkentin Conservative Peace River, AB

Okay. I was just wondering if...

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Yes, Mr. Holder, go ahead.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Holder Conservative London West, ON

Thank you.

I think this is germane to what we're talking about. I'd very much like to hear Mr. Hamilton. He's indicated that he's available on June 9. I come back to the point that I don't know if others, such as Mr. Jaffer, would be available on June 9, but we're talking about two days from now. I don't want this committee not to have its regularly scheduled meeting to do its job.

My prior challenge—if that's the right word—to Alexandra was perhaps the choice of words, so let's do a different workaround. I would like to ask, though, because I think Pat's right about this point, about the scheduling of our other guests, Mr. Jaffer and Ms. Guergis. I'm trying to get a perspective. Can you help me understand where your thinking is on this, please?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Sure. I'm not thinking; I'm just saying Mr. Jaffer has been invited for June 9, and he hasn't said no.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Holder Conservative London West, ON

Okay.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Okay? He is there, but I think you asked me about the timing.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Holder Conservative London West, ON

Yes.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

I was making a suggestion that the timing could be one hour for Mr. Hamilton and one hour for Mr. Jaffer—