The issue of program budgeting depends on the size of the unit or program that you want to have a budget for identified by Parliament, and compared with what used to exist in the United States, and I suspect still does, where much of the budgeting—perhaps I could be corrected here—is line item budgeting rather than program, we have the advantage of having the vote and sub-vote structure based and identified by programs.
It seems to me that one of the useful things this committee could do is invite the government to explain the difference between what it describes as a program budget and the current one and what the steps are to get from one to the other. I like our system of having votes that are part of a department's estimates, and then the allotments, which I would rather call sub-votes, within them, which should be identified by program.
It would be worthwhile for this committee to toss that to our Treasury Board to see if there's a middle ground between line item and satisfactory programming, or if we're at program budgets, or if we're partway there. That is a very important issue that we should look at.