Evidence of meeting #65 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pco.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Andrew Treusch  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
John McBain  Assistant Deputy Minister, Real Property Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Alex Lakroni  Chief Financial Officer, Finance Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Michelle Doucet  Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Services, Privy Council Office
Wendy Tadros  Chair, Transportation Safety Board of Canada
Jean Laporte  Chief Operating Officer, Transportation Safety Board of Canada
Wilma Vreeswijk  Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Business Transformation and Renewal Secretariat, Privy Council Office
Ian McCowan  Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet, Communications and Consultations, Privy Council Office
Marc Bélisle  Executive Director, Finance and Corporate Planning Division, Privy Council Office
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Marc-Olivier Girard

10 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I understand, but I don't understand why the report shows no transfer. But perhaps you can explain that in a bit.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Mike Wallace

Thirty seconds.

10:05 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

We're now planning to be shipping bitumen through rail lines that are intended for gasoline products. I would have thought that there would be some interest in gearing up and hiring more Transportation Safety Board people to give assurance and direction, to be building on inspection. Are you not making any request along that line?

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Mike Wallace

Can you answer that in 10 seconds or so?

10:05 a.m.

Chair, Transportation Safety Board of Canada

Wendy Tadros

We are an investigative body. The inspections are done by Transport Canada, which is the regulator for transportation, including rail. If there are derailments of those shipments, then we are fully capable of investigating and reporting to the Canadian public on what happened and why, and what needs to be done to improve the system. So I'm confident in that area.

I will go back to your point on pipelines. We've had very few pipeline accidents in this country, thankfully.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Mike Wallace

Okay. Thank you.

The next questioner is Jacques Gourde from the Conservatives.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I wish to thank the witnesses for joining us this morning. This is really very interesting.

In the 2012-13 supplementary estimates (B), the Privy Council is requesting $1.25 million to support government-wide coordination of the implementation of the Perimeter Security and Economic Competitiveness Action Plan.

What is the total amount sought to date with respect to the security action plan and what is the role of the Privy Council with respect to this plan?

10:05 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Services, Privy Council Office

Michelle Doucet

The role of the Privy Council Office in implementing the perimeter security and economic competitiveness action plan is to act as the house for the whole-of-government initiative on behalf of the Canadian government. As I stated in my opening remarks, it has two parts. There is, of course, the implementation of the border action plan, and that's being done by a small group of folks who are working out of the Privy Council Office, led by David Moloney. They are responsible for overseeing a coordinated and timely implementation of the action plan commitments across the Government of Canada among the responsible departments and agencies, and then also coordinating that with the United States, and obviously reporting on the progress that's being made on those commitments.

PCO is requesting for this year, for that portion of the exercise, $1.4 million. That funding will be used mainly for salaries, professional services, travel, and other administrative costs.

The other portion of the work that's being done by this group is, of course, the work of the RCC, which is also being led under the leadership of David Moloney. And the two groups are housed in the same secretariat as the Privy Council Office. I'd be pleased to speak to that work if so asked.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Are there any concerns regarding this plan and, if so, what are they?

10:05 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Services, Privy Council Office

Michelle Doucet

Obviously, Mr. Moloney would be better placed to speak to the details of the work, but it's my understanding that this work is going well and is on track and on plan. Today, Mr. Moloney is in Washington, meeting with his American counterparts, as he does on a regular basis.

To give you a sense of how that work is going, I'll speak a bit to the other side of the house, the RCC work. They're finalizing the action plan, with corresponding detailed work plans, and the implementation is now under way through 12 binational working groups. Those work plans were just finalized through the course of the summer, and they'll extend out over the next 18 months and beyond. The focus is on ongoing systemic changes, and that work will be critical to securing a new regulatory relationship with the United States and establishing new cooperative arrangements between regulatory departments in key areas of regulatory business, such as standard setting, product review and approvals, reliance on each other's regulatory systems, and in managing third-country import risk.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Thank you.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Mike Wallace

Thank you very much.

Our next questioner is Denis Blanchette from the NDP.

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Denis Blanchette NDP Louis-Hébert, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to our guests for being here. It is always a pleasure to see you again. Welcome.

My question is for Ms. Vreeswijk.

You are asking for $1.4 million for your activities, in addition to transfers of funds. It is said that your objective is to seize government-wide opportunities with a view to improving services. Talk to me a little more about your mandate. It is rather vague. Considering that it is a horizontal function and that the public administration is more or less in a period of cuts, I would like you to give me more details about your role.

November 27th, 2012 / 10:10 a.m.

Wilma Vreeswijk Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Business Transformation and Renewal Secretariat, Privy Council Office

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The role of the secretariat that I lead is to provide advice to the clerk and to the Prime Minister in terms of whole-of-government transformation. Since Budget 2010, Budget 2011, and Budget 2012, the government has placed a great deal of emphasis on whole-of-government initiatives to standardize, consolidate, and re-engineer government operations.

This work builds on that effort. In this regard, the government announced in September that it was going to create the planning and priorities subcommittee of cabinet with a view to improve effectiveness and efficiency of government operations. The role my team plays is to support this.

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Denis Blanchette NDP Louis-Hébert, QC

In this case, is it strictly a matter of efficiency or do you also take into account the reductions that might be applied within the public administration?

10:10 a.m.

Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Business Transformation and Renewal Secretariat, Privy Council Office

Wilma Vreeswijk

Our focus is on effectiveness and efficiency, but with a view to improve services and reduce costs. It is a focus on transformation at the whole-of-government level. It's also with a view to improving outcomes and service.

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Denis Blanchette NDP Louis-Hébert, QC

You are asking for $1.4 million. What are you going to do with this money? What is your game plan for developing your organization?

10:10 a.m.

Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Business Transformation and Renewal Secretariat, Privy Council Office

Wilma Vreeswijk

The role the secretariat plays is very similar to other secretariats within the Privy Council Office. It is to provide secretariat support to the cabinet subcommittee on planning and priorities.

In addition, my team supports the clerk in terms of public service renewable. This means looking at the trends and challenges facing the public service and supporting the public service in terms of continued excellence into the future.

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Denis Blanchette NDP Louis-Hébert, QC

What does this involve exactly: analyses, studies, joint action?

10:10 a.m.

Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Business Transformation and Renewal Secretariat, Privy Council Office

Wilma Vreeswijk

When I say secretariat support, it can be everything from providing advice to working with departments to ensure that the proposals they bring forward are well-founded and well-supported. It goes right through to agenda development, minutes, and things like that.

We also support the clerk as he does his annual report to the Prime Minister each year. We also support the Prime Minister's advisory committee in their deliberations.

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Denis Blanchette NDP Louis-Hébert, QC

Will it go so far as to suggest a transformation of the public administration?

10:10 a.m.

Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Business Transformation and Renewal Secretariat, Privy Council Office

Wilma Vreeswijk

As I said, the focus is on improved effectiveness and efficiency. Within the context of a cabinet committee, there are proposals that would be brought forward, and we would provide advice on these.

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Denis Blanchette NDP Louis-Hébert, QC

I see.

How much time do I have left?

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Mike Wallace

One minute.

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Denis Blanchette NDP Louis-Hébert, QC

In connection with this joint action, I would like to know how you see your work with the other central agencies, especially Treasury Board and Public Works Canada, with a view to achieving the efficiency you are aiming for.