I think the NRC is in position to actually do a tremendous amount of work to assist not only the federal government in improving the efficiency of its buildings, but in getting back to leadership.
I've been working with NRC for about 30 years. When I first started working with them, they were known throughout the world as leaders in how to make energy-efficient buildings, materials, and so on. Over the years, for a bunch of other reasons, cutbacks and all the rest of the stuff, NRC has become a lame duck, and that's such a shame because, if you talk about experts in thermal insulation and building efficiency and so on with people around the world, it's the Clifford Shirtliffes, Mike Swintons, and Kumar Kumarans and all these people who have brought Canada forward.
NRC is still doing some good research and things like that, but they could do so much more, and it would help everybody, including the federal government, with their buildings.