Evidence of meeting #84 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was question.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michelle d'Auray  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Liseanne Forand  President, Shared Services Canada
Alex Lakroni  Chief Financial Officer, Finance Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
John McBain  Assistant Deputy Minister, Real Property Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services

12:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Michelle d'Auray

Perhaps I can speak to the specific question as to why we haven't flagged it in the RPP.

Where there is a greening government component to it, whether it's an efficiency reduction or an improvement, we've actually tried to tag it by putting a little “g” beside the activity to show that it is actually linked to our sustainable strategy.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

But it doesn't mention cost saving.

I rest my case.

12:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Michelle d'Auray

The cost savings are integrated, Mr. Chair, in each one of them. They contribute to greening, and the savings are attributed to that. So they're attributed to two specific areas.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Thank you.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

Thank you, Linda. That's all the time we have for now.

We'll recognize Peter Braid, and that will probably bring us to our conclusion.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Braid Conservative Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Hopefully I'll have time, in our remaining few minutes, for a question or two to our officials still on the main estimates.

Before I do that, I just wanted to ask that we come back to Madam Duncan's motion, which she moved at the outset of the meeting, and have a final discussion on that in our remaining couple of minutes. This relates to the invitation for the minister to attend.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

The motion was set aside, as per your motion.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Braid Conservative Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Right.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

You'd like to bring it back to the floor as we speak. Is that correct?

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Braid Conservative Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Indeed. Perhaps we could revisit it briefly—

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

Sure.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Braid Conservative Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

—and sort of cleanly deal with this.

What I'd like to do, Mr. Chair, is actually propose an amendment to the original motion. Further to my previous suggestions, my amendment to the original motion would read: that the subcommittee look at inviting the minister if the committee's schedule permits it.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

I'm sorry, where were you going to add that language to the motion?

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Conservative

Peter Braid Conservative Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Well, I suggest that this would become essentially the motion that we discuss.

It's standard practice for this committee that all items of committee business be discussed, and fully discussed, at subcommittee. I'm suggesting that the original motion be revised to read as follows: that the subcommittee look at inviting the minister if the committee's schedule permits it.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

Okay.

You've heard the amendment, that the subcommittee shall look at inviting the minister, etc., to appear if the schedule permits.

Now, you're talking about the schedule of the subcommittee or the schedule of the minister?

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Braid Conservative Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

The schedule of the committee.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

Of the committee. Well, we're scheduled to meet at one o'clock tomorrow afternoon, and I'm sure we could find room.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Braid Conservative Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Let's discuss that at the subcommittee and look at the schedule and the committee business, as we do within that forum.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

My only comment is that I think that's exactly what would have happened anyway. I mean, we deal with these things at subcommittee, and we're scheduled to.

Does anybody want to debate this?

Linda.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I don't accept the amendment, because as you say, Mr. Chair, that is precisely what the steering committee—and then the committee—does. We revisit where we could put this in the agenda.

I just don't see it as a necessary amendment. I don't favour it, because it simply would allow for the Conservatives on the committee to vote against finding any room on the agenda.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

Just to be clear, there's no such thing as a friendly amendment at committee. He's moving a subamendment. All you can do is vote it down, if you choose to.

Let's put the amendment on the floor.

Go ahead, Mr. Cannan.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Just to clarify, though, on Ms. Duncan's original motion, that wasn't intended to go to the subcommittee. It was to be voted on right here, to deal with it right now.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

Yes.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Mr. Chair, you said that was the intention of Ms. Duncan's motion, and I just wanted to correct the facts.

Thanks.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

I was only saying that I had no doubt the issue would have been raised at our planning committee meeting tomorrow.

(Amendment agreed to)

The amendment is carried.

Any further debate on the main motion?