—in order to reach that. It's a fairly significant amount of money. It increased a lot after 2008. I mean, you had a small surplus in 2008—and you know we had a bit of a recession issue, a few things here and there, in spite of people denying we had one at one point—but it seems to have grown quite substantially. I don't know—you're doing the numbers—but it seems that it really grew a lot from 2008 to 2011. In three years it went from a small surplus of a $1 billion to a deficit of $4.4 billion.
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