Certainly some of the private sector clients we most enjoy working with are the ones who bring us in early, as Mr. Gamble was saying, and treat us as part of an integrated project team. I don't like that terminology but it's sometimes useful.
Don't dictate the solution. Tell us what you want to achieve and then we'll work with you to achieve that. A good example is our work with Seaspan Ferries. They weren't sure at the start if they wanted to have a new ship to run their services to Vancouver Island or if they wanted to do this with tugs and barges or what, so we went through a beauty contest. We convinced them that we were the people they should be talking to, and then we worked together and achieved a very successful result, I believe. The first two ships have been developed. A second batch is now just going out to contract. They are tremendously innovative vessels. They run on LNG fuel with battery hybrid backup—