Evidence of meeting #120 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was budget.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brian Pagan  Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
Renée LaFontaine  Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
Marcia Santiago  Executive Director, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
Yaprak Baltacioglu  Secretary of the Treasury Board of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

It's the international assistance priorities. That's what I have here, $202.5 million.

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Brian Pagan

Right. This is a top-up to the existing budget at the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development. The funding is being transferred from the international assistance envelope, so within the framework, there are monies identified for international priorities, and specifically—

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

Does this include the Rohingya top-up for donations that was announced by the government at the end of 2017?

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Brian Pagan

I don't know about that specific initiative, but I can tell you that this money, $202.5 million, is intended for multilateral programming that is aimed at disaster assistance, humanitarian relief, and grants to multilateral institutions. I believe this might be part of that humanitarian relief, but I would have to confirm that.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

Then you have the other item that says “help developing countries to address the impact of climate change”. I know it's different. It's very specific to climate change. Would this be going also to Global Affairs, or is this something that you would...?

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Brian Pagan

It's also an item for Foreign Affairs. We're talking about $169.7 million. This program is set up with the International Finance Corporation of the World Bank. There are two steams to this. There's the Canadian climate change program, which has a global reach. So through the IFC, Canadian money is being pooled with funding from other donors and it is available to support climate change programs around the world. Then there is a second stream, which is the Inter-American Development Bank Canadian climate fund. That is focused on the Americas.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Thank you.

We'll now go to the five-minute round starting with Mr. McCauley.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Thanks. I have some quick questions.

Under the TBS, the $6.3 million for Phoenix, is any of that money being used for outside consultants?

11:40 a.m.

Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Renée LaFontaine

The quick answer is yes, but I will kind of tell you how. Of that $6.3 million that we're focused on, $4.9 million is basically to look at, as Brian talked about, taking our HR systems and how they feed pay—

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Who are the outside consultants?

11:40 a.m.

Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Renée LaFontaine

Depending on what it is, we have several initiatives under way, so there are lots of professional services plus other companies. I'd have to get back to you.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

That would be perfect if you wouldn't mind.

11:40 a.m.

Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Renée LaFontaine

There are quite a few actually working with us right now.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Perfect. Great.

I've heard stories that the government is going to put out a very large RFP for outside consultants to assist with Phoenix. I've heard stories that it's about a three- to six-month RFP period. I'm wondering if you can tell us about that.

11:40 a.m.

Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Renée LaFontaine

I'm sorry, I can't actually. We have posted the request for service but we haven't yet signed a contract.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Have you posted publicly?

11:40 a.m.

Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Renée LaFontaine

We've asked for bids.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Is the RFP public?

11:40 a.m.

Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Renée LaFontaine

Yes. We put it out.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

What's the scope of the RFP and what's the value as well, please?

11:40 a.m.

Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Renée LaFontaine

We were looking for consultants who actually have a very good understanding of the PeopleSoft system. That's our HR system that feeds pay.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

This is all about PeopleSoft.

11:40 a.m.

Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Renée LaFontaine

That's right.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Okay.

There's money, as there always is, for advertising. In this committee, we actually put forward a report suggesting that the government should move the advertising away from Facebook and more to traditional Canadian companies, local newspapers, etc.

Have you received any direction from the government that this money should be pushed toward that or do you know if this money is going right into U.S. digital media for advertising?

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Brian Pagan

This specific request in supplementary estimates (C) is for Public Works and Government Services. It is digital advertising to support moving Canadians to direct deposit. I'm not part of the discussions on the broader direction of the advertising policy.