When we met with the head of procurement, he said whether it's a job in the big company or a job with the subcontractor, it amounts to the same thing. Well, it's not the same thing. If it goes to the subcontractor, which would be the indigenous entity, it builds capacity by obtaining a subcontract and running the job and making a profit. On the other side, the contractor is just paying the labour union and himself.
This is why building the subcontracting component is so important. When we graded RFPs, for example, when we put the grading system in for that one in Hydro, companies were graded higher if they did subcontracting as opposed to having only employees.