I think you can have both, depending on what the government is buying, on what service it is. I think it can be an effective vehicle so that you just have indigenous groups competing against each other for that. Where we have that capacity, I think the voluntary set-asides are good.
The problem is that it's not being used enough, it's not being promoted enough, and it's not at the right level, so we're having poor results. To be fair to all those people who work at PSAB, I think they're doing as well as they can, but it's just not on the radar. It's not high enough on the pay grade that they work under. We need to bump it up.