Evidence of meeting #20 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was investment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Stephen Lucas  Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Plans and Consultations and Intergovernmental Affairs, Privy Council Office
Karen Cahill  Deputy Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Services, Privy Council Office
André Bourbonnais  President and Chief Executive Officer, Public Sector Pension Investment Board
Daniel Garant  Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer, Public Sector Pension Investment Board

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Public Sector Pension Investment Board

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Liberal

Raj Grewal Liberal Brampton East, ON

In terms of you and the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, because you are both crown corporations that operate at arm's length, is there any investment strategy dialogue between the two organizations?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Public Sector Pension Investment Board

André Bourbonnais

We do. Certainly, at the CEO level, I can tell you that most of the CEOs of the large pension plans talk to each other. We would like to do more. As I've often said, it's at the deal team level that it's a little more difficult. They see more competition than we do, but we've recently seen examples, especially in the infrastructure space, where the Canadian pension plans have gone in together and not competed against each other, which is a very good sign.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

You have a few seconds to finish up.

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Liberal

Raj Grewal Liberal Brampton East, ON

It's okay. It was a more complicated question.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Thank you very much.

Yes, sir.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Public Sector Pension Investment Board

André Bourbonnais

To go back to Mr. McCauley's point, we haven't made the analysis, but what we can tell you is that against a reference portfolio, which would be a zero or very low-cost base, in the last 10 years we've generated $16.3 billion of value-added, net of our costs. I think it's evidence that active management is working.

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

[Inaudible—Editor] you actually outperformed the standard of the S&P 500 quite significantly, but I maybe looked at the wrong numbers—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Thank you very much, gentlemen.

Monsieur Bourbonnais and Monsieur Garant, I thank you on behalf of the committee. It's been very informative. Just from a personal vantage point, once again, keep up the good work.

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An hon. member

Yes, please.

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

We're going to suspend for about two minutes. Then we'll come back, colleagues, have a number of votes on the supplementaries, and then go in camera.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Colleagues, we are still in public. We have seven votes on supplementary estimates (A). You're all familiar with them. I think you have copies in front of you. I'll go through these as quickly as possible so that we can get into committee business.

PRIVY COUNCIL OFFICE

Vote 1a—Program expenditures..........$23,250,293

(Vote 1a agreed to)

PUBLIC WORKS and GOVERNMENT SERVICES

Vote 1a—Operating expenditures..........$290,359,023

Vote 5a—Capital expenditures..........$60,943,600

(Votes 1a and 5a agreed to)

SHARED SERVICES CANADA

Vote 1a—Operating expenditures..........$109,675,247

Vote 5a—Capital expenditures..........$161,808,663

(Votes 1a and 5a agreed to)

TREASURY BOARD SECRETARIAT

Vote 1a—Program expenditures..........$43,371,793

Vote 20a—Public Service Insurance..........$1,909,207

(Votes 1a and 20a agreed to)

In order to report to the House, I would ask for the concurrence of the committee to report this to the House tomorrow.

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

It shall be done.

Now we will go in camera.

[Proceedings continue in camera]