Evidence of meeting #28 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was post.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Simon Tremblay-Pepin  Professor and Researcher, Institut de recherche et d’informations socio-économiques, As an Individual
Stéphane Ricoul  President, eCOM MTL inc.
Lionel Perez  City Councillor, Member of the Executive Committee, City of Montreal
Marc Demers  Mayor, City of Laval
Sylvain Lapointe  National Director, Metro-Montréal, Canadian Union of Postal Workers
Alain Duguay  Former President, Canadian Union of Postal Workers, Metro-Montréal, As an Individual
Carmela Hutchison  President, DisAbled Women's Network Canada
Ruth Pelletier  Former President, Seniors Action Quebec
Andrew DeFour  Secretary, Seniors Action Quebec
Richard Lavigne  Director General, Confédération des organismes de personnes handicapées du Québec
Hicham Ratnani  Chief Operating Officer and Co-founder, Frank + Oak

11:05 a.m.

President, DisAbled Women's Network Canada

Carmela Hutchison

I will speak very briefly to you about some of the obstacles with these kinds of forms. Richard is right; when there is a dual set of assessors, it gets—

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Canada Post and the organizations will have to work out something that works, because right now, obviously, it doesn't.

11:05 a.m.

President, DisAbled Women's Network Canada

Carmela Hutchison

No, but there are practical considerations. I have the “one person, one fare” program. I have been established on it for many years, with an airline. When I got the form and got it filled out—

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Is this the Canada Post form?

11:05 a.m.

President, DisAbled Women's Network Canada

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Sorry, we are short on time.

11:10 a.m.

President, DisAbled Women's Network Canada

Carmela Hutchison

It is, practically, what can happen. I have had the form for many years. I flew four times this summer. Then, I go to get it—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

I can't address an airline's—

11:10 a.m.

President, DisAbled Women's Network Canada

Carmela Hutchison

No, I am not asking you to address it.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

I am going to interrupt because I don't have time.

What I am saying is this. If once a week will work—if Canada Post does proper consultation with various access groups—then maybe that is a solution to that area.

11:10 a.m.

President, DisAbled Women's Network Canada

Carmela Hutchison

One weakness is that if people are getting paid by cheque and it is the end of the month—they are making rent—it may not work.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

That is a good point.

Actually, I was going to get you—

11:10 a.m.

Chief Operating Officer and Co-founder, Frank + Oak

Hicham Ratnani

Do you consider mail delivery the same thing as parcel delivery?

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

I don't work for Canada Post, so I don't consider anything—

11:10 a.m.

Chief Operating Officer and Co-founder, Frank + Oak

Hicham Ratnani

It is just a question in terms of—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

I don't know enough about the weekly service for handicapped or for inaccessible.

11:10 a.m.

Chief Operating Officer and Co-founder, Frank + Oak

Hicham Ratnani

I am just questioning—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Mr. Ratnani, I will just interject for a moment. What I hear consistently from both Canada Post and all the other stakeholders who have come before us is that while it may be a viable option to have alternate-day delivery for mail, for parcels, undoubtedly, it has to be daily.

11:10 a.m.

Chief Operating Officer and Co-founder, Frank + Oak

Hicham Ratnani

Thank you for the answer.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

My next question is actually for you, so thanks for chiming in.

Canada Post just went through negotiations. If they hadn't signed, what was your backup plan, which company? Would you just switch over to UPS? Is that a viable alternative? I am just curious.

By the way, before you answer, I want to say that you guys have a great online presence. You guys did a fantastic job. Well done.

11:10 a.m.

Chief Operating Officer and Co-founder, Frank + Oak

Hicham Ratnani

Thank you. I will take those compliments with me.

I would say that it is always the same players. It is the FedExes and the UPSes of this world. DHL is a very well-known player, but now it is becoming more aggressive. Now you are seeing an entry of other local carriers now entering here from the U.S., such as LaserShip—smaller companies that actually want to compete and gain business here. We have a network of different providers across North America.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

How are they price-wise compared to what you're currently using with Canada Post?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Operating Officer and Co-founder, Frank + Oak

Hicham Ratnani

In the U.S. it's very competitive.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Here in Canada...?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Operating Officer and Co-founder, Frank + Oak

Hicham Ratnani

In Canada, actually, Canada Post does have better service coverage because you can pick it up in the local post office. In certain service levels it is more competitive with Canada Post. In other service levels, actually other carriers are competitive, meaning it's usually between either the regular shipping or the express service, if things go by air. So it's becoming more and more competitive.