I'm not sure, but I appreciate the feedback.
Gentlemen, I think it was Mr. Simard who mentioned job loss. We've heard this again and again, but I understand that in the contract, and when we've asked other CUPW people, there actually were no layoffs. There was sometimes job redundancy that resulted in people just standing there, but there were no layoffs. However, it sounds as though you're saying there were.
Mr. Simard, were there layoffs? You were referring to the difficulty of a single mother making do with her lost job, but we've also heard that there haven't been any layoffs. Could you clarify, please?