I'll give you an example.
We talked about front yards in bloom, and I'm not here on behalf of city council, but I'm the person who runs front yards in bloom in association with Canada Post postal workers.
I'll be quite frank. It was all run by the city, and then what I did is I took it off the tax roll. It's a civic beautification program recognizing people's front yards and the work that they do. I got corporate sponsorships and took it off the tax roll. I have one city worker on it now, and with the participation of postal workers and other people out there, we value-added that program so it's no longer on the tax roll.
I don't believe that Canada Post, with all the assets under it, cannot reach revenue neutrality over time.
On Ernst & Young, I could give you my opinion on accountants another day.