Indeed, the unions and management of the Canada Post Corporation agree on this. They think that there is a serious problem and we have to find solutions.
In fact, for the first time in the history of the Canada Post Corporation, following Minister Flaherty's announcement in 2013, the four unions agreed to meet with management together. Management resisted initially. We persisted and, in the end, we—all the corporation's unions—met with the Canada Post Corporation's management to tell it that there was a problem with the pensions and that we had to find a solution.
A special committee was set up after that according to the guidelines of the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions. I have to say that I have not found it productive so far. I also find that the Canada Post Corporation lacks transparency toward us. Let me give you an example. I was the chief negotiator for the Canadian Postmasters and Assistants Association. On August 5, we were before the arbitrator and neither the arbitrator nor we had heard about the $8.1-billion pension deficit that Mr. Chopra mentioned today.