With respect to pensions, another thing that we heard from experts who appeared before the panel is that there are different opportunities to help decouple the pension risk from the financials and also from the labour negotiations through a couple of ways. One would be to have joint management of the plans, and that's one that we were focusing on a bit. In addition to that idea of what your board and you have done to try to push forward ways to do going-concern accounting on the pension plan to alleviate that problem at the corporation, we've also heard that it's much more costly, certainly in markets like this, to change a plan from a defined benefit plan to a defined contribution plan. I'd like your thoughts on whether at this point, with markets offering very low returns, it's even a cost-effective move to switch from a defined benefit to a defined contribution. So both of those points I'd love to hear—
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