Evidence of meeting #94 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was campaigns.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Louise Baird  Assistant Secretary, Strategic Communications and Ministerial Affairs, Treasury Board Secretariat
Jani Yates  President and Chief Executive Officer, Advertising Standards Canada
Christiane Fox  Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs and Youth, Privy Council Office
Marc Saint-Pierre  Director General, Government Information Services Sector, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Janet Feasby  Vice-President, Standards, Advertising Standards Canada
Stéphane Lévesque  Director General of Operations, Communications and Consultations, Privy Council Office

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Let's take for example a program like new horizons, which specifically targets seniors and whose timeline is fairly short. The deadline for presenting a project is fast approaching.

I have been an MP for a year and a half, almost two years. I worked at the municipal level before that, and we were not very well informed of those types of programs. I am talking about the opposition's concern over informing people of the message.

The RCMP's general recruitment message is easy to understand. The same thing goes for Canada Summer Jobs. We, the members, are trying to tell our organizations as much as possible about programs. That is a concern.

Do you have the mandate to target certain audiences in particular?

10:10 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs and Youth, Privy Council Office

Christiane Fox

Absolutely. We have that mandate, and department representatives talk to us, tell us that they have a very targeted program that they would like to advertise.

Another change that has been made is to allow departments that want to purchase advertising for less than $25,000 to do so directly. That helps them target, as you said, a very specific publication or tool. However, the reality is that the information is not disseminated only through advertising. Departments must also educate key stakeholders. Advertising is complementary to other activities.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Thank you.

I will yield the floor to my colleague.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

In fact, I would like to continue on the same line of questioning but with a different population group.

For a program like the Canada learning bond, for example, the last time I looked at figures was when I was working as a social worker, about six or seven years ago, and the uptake then was nominal, 20% or so. That's the kind of program for which conventional media was clearly not reaching the target audience, and I can see where social media would actually do a lot better.

Can you talk to me about how you would address an audience like that? What kind of testing would we be doing to make sure that we're reaching those folks?

10:10 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs and Youth, Privy Council Office

Christiane Fox

I think that goes to the point of the overall communications coordination of your entire campaign. If you're a department working on the Canada learning bond, it's a very specific target audience you're trying to reach. I would say that not in all circumstances would you necessarily get government funding in any given year, but you have to take a look at all of your activities.

What we're noticing is, as you noted, advertising is one way, and it's not always the only way or even always successful. We have had campaigns where we did not reach the people we needed to reach. It has to be complementary to other activities.

Social media is a tool that departments are using more and more in these types of campaigns. Direct intervention is often required when you're in remote communities. It's not just about telling people about a particular program; it's about educating them on how they can get involved and what they need to do to benefit from it. An ad won't necessarily do that.

Our advice to departments is actually to take a look holistically at their engagement stakeholder strategy. What is their advertising strategy if they do have funding in that particular year? What is their communications outreach to these specialized communities? It's really about identifying that target audience and using everything in their tool box to be able to support that community or support that group to raise awareness.

I would say it's not a simple answer, but it's actually a more holistic view of how to communicate with key interlocutors.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

Terrific. I would like to address a completely different topic, if I have a moment.

On the colours, I do remember in a previous life working in a corporate setting where it was a big deal for us what our colour code number was. That had to be consistent over all departments.

I take it that there are many reds. There are many greens. There must be numbers attached to them, and the use of different colours is very specific.

10:15 a.m.

Assistant Secretary, Strategic Communications and Ministerial Affairs, Treasury Board Secretariat

Louise Baird

Yes, that's correct. You probably know because you're talking about it that there are RGB numbers for specific colours that are slightly different shades from other colours. On our website, we have specific colours we use because they are better for digital presentation versus print, and we use specific colour palettes.

I would say, though, that to the average Canadian, some of that distinction is lost. That's why, for red, in terms of what we're looking at currently as the colour of the governing party, its dominant use, we don't talk about a specific RGB number of red. We do talk about red quite generally.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Thank you very much.

Mr. McCauley, you have seven minutes, please.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

I just want to get back to the effectiveness of Facebook advertising. Who can view the analytics, the results of the Facebook and social media advertising? Who has access to that? Is it solely the government? Does the exempt staff have access to it? Is it “ATIP-able”?

10:15 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs and Youth, Privy Council Office

Christiane Fox

Yes, it is “ATIP-able”.

Go ahead.

10:15 a.m.

Director General of Operations, Communications and Consultations, Privy Council Office

Stéphane Lévesque

We collect that information. It's anonymous. They are just general numbers.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Does the exempt staff have access to it?

10:15 a.m.

Director General of Operations, Communications and Consultations, Privy Council Office

Stéphane Lévesque

Yes. We share it with exempt staff if they wish to know what the performance of a specific ad is.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Do you see why exempt staff would be looking at that when it should be at a very long arm's length from political people to government?

10:15 a.m.

Director General of Operations, Communications and Consultations, Privy Council Office

Stéphane Lévesque

We provide advice to the PMO on some of the advertising adjustments and where to best place advertisements.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Do you see any issue in this, because it should be a non-partisan advertisement?

10:15 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs and Youth, Privy Council Office

Christiane Fox

We should be clear that this is about click-through rates. We put out an ad. How many times was it shared through Twitter? It was shared 12,000 times or two million times. Click-through is the type of data analytics we're sharing through Facebook.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Twitter is not paid advertising.

10:15 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs and Youth, Privy Council Office

Christiane Fox

Sorry, I'm just talking about.... It can be.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Are you using that?

10:15 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs and Youth, Privy Council Office

Christiane Fox

Yes, through digital.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Are you sharing it or are they coming to look for it?

10:15 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs and Youth, Privy Council Office

Christiane Fox

No, we're never— What we....

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Sorry, Mr. Lévesque just said it is being shared with....

10:15 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs and Youth, Privy Council Office

Christiane Fox

We share, absolutely, the metrics of successful campaigns as part of the overview.