Evidence of meeting #29 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was companies.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Joanne Langley  Co-Chair, COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force
Mark Lievonen  Co-Chair, COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force
Roger Scott-Douglas  Secretary, COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Again, my colleague touched on what may happen in 2022-23. I think there's still some uncertainty about how long these vaccines will be efficient in our bodies and continue to work. As recently as three weeks ago, or almost a month ago now, the minister of PSPC announced that she had signed contracts with Pfizer, I believe for 30 million doses in 2022, 35 million in 2023 and then a 100 million option in the future.

Do you know how many countries have been signing those booster contracts with Pfizer, for instance, or with any other companies down the line for 2022, 2023, 2024 and so on?

4:45 p.m.

Co-Chair, COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force

Mark Lievonen

We don't know that.

I will make two comments. When the minister announced that, she said it was based on advice from the vaccine task force. We were involved in that advice.

Over the course of our discussions, we have met with our counterparts in the U.K., New Zealand, Australia. We've had discussions with Germany and France, and so on. It has been somewhat remarkable how there has been a similar approach, in terms of the portfolio approach. Among the companies we've been working with, there's a fair degree of overlap, so one might anticipate that they've been doing the same.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Thank you.

Pfizer has done an extremely good job at fulfilling its contract obligations, and also in surpassing its contract obligations.

I think you touched on supply chain disruptions and making sure that companies can ramp up. How do you analyze that, from a task force perspective, with regard to making sure they can now honour their commitments?

4:45 p.m.

Co-Chair, COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force

Mark Lievonen

Early on, when we were doing our rubric and we were looking at the assessment, supply chain, and the reliability of the supply chain, played a very large role. We are fortunate to have some people who have been involved in the manufacturing and the science of vaccinology, immunology, virology. A number of people have been involved with supply chain.

The vaccine business, from a manufacturing perspective, is extremely difficult in normal days. This was just exacerbating it. Frankly, we did look at the robustness of the supply chain. We had thoughts about American nationalism, so we looked at European supply chains: What were the companies that worked with these suppliers? What were the underlying supply chains like, and what were those companies like? We made qualitative judgments and assessments on that in providing our recommendations.

In many other industries, the supply chain is fairly routine. It is not with any sorts of vaccines. We've had our issues, and there have been disappointments—two-week delays. People have focused on that, and rightly so, because of the nature of COVID-19. However, in the scheme of vaccine supply chains, things have gone remarkably well.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

I think I only have about 20 seconds. I want to take the opportunity to thank all of you for the service you've provided to Canada.

Thank you.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Thank you very much.

We are now basically at 4:52 Ottawa time. I'd like to thank the witnesses. You committed to an hour, and we appreciate that.

Dr Langley, and Mr. Lievonen and Mr. Scott-Douglas, thank you very much for being with us today. We greatly appreciate that.

All the best.

4:50 p.m.

Co-Chair, COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force

Dr. Joanne Langley

Thank you so much. Thank you for your work.

4:50 p.m.

Co-Chair, COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force

Mark Lievonen

Thank you. It was our pleasure.

4:50 p.m.

Secretary, COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force

Roger Scott-Douglas

Thank you very much.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Good-bye now.

With that said, the public portion of our meeting is now complete and we'll proceed to the in camera portion of the meeting.

When I suspend the meeting, the technical staff will end this part of the Zoom meeting. As such, members cannot remain logged into this meeting. You will have to go back and re-enter, using the passcode that was sent to you by the clerk.

I will suspend the meeting and we'll reconvene in a couple of minutes.

[Proceedings continue in camera]