Evidence of meeting #5 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was work.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karen Cahill  Assistant Secretary and Chief Financial Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
Sandra Hassan  Assistant Deputy Minister, Employment Conditions and Labour Relations, Treasury Board Secretariat
Glenn Purves  Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
Alison McDermott  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance

8:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Employment Conditions and Labour Relations, Treasury Board Secretariat

Sandra Hassan

That is not in the legislative framework we have for the purposes of pay equity. The data you are looking for is certainly available. As I indicated, I do not have it with me.

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Could you provide it to the committee, for my own edification?

8:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Employment Conditions and Labour Relations, Treasury Board Secretariat

Sandra Hassan

We can look at the data that is available. When employees join the public service or throughout the years are invited to fill out the disclosure in regard to employment equity, that data can be very helpful in determining the representation in the various groups and levels.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Thank you, Mr. Green.

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I certainly look forward to that discussion.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

We've now finished our first round.

We will go to our second round, starting with Mr. McCauley for five minutes.

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Thank you, Chair.

Ms. McDermott and Mr. Halverson—I'm not sure if Mr. Halverson is there—you were providing the finance committee with biweekly updates on the COVID spending programs—the active spending, the budgets—up until prorogation happened. Then it stopped. Would you be able to start providing that to our committee on a regular basis?

November 4th, 2020 / 8:45 p.m.

Alison McDermott Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Maybe I'll take that answer.

Yes, we were providing those estimates as required by the emergency response act, although we went a little bit beyond the requirements of the act—

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Would you be able to provide that to our committee?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Alison McDermott

If there were to be some kind of requirement imposed on us, we certainly would. But I would also mention that we are preparing a fall update, as mentioned in the Speech from the Throne—

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

I'm going to move on and ask a quick question.

Mr. Duclos was not aware of this, but since you're in Finance, do you guys know when there will be a budget out—not a fiscal update, but an actual budget?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Alison McDermott

Typically, we would have a budget in the spring—

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

I'm sorry, I know all of that. Do you know when the budget will be out?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Alison McDermott

I don't think we have a date, but what comes out this fall—

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Okay. That's fine, thanks—

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Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, the honourable member knows that it is not the job of Treasury Board to give a date for the budget. The honourable member knows well that the Minister of Finance will make that announcement when she is ready. I would just like some respect for the folks who are in from—

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Okay, Ms. McDermott—

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, that's debate.

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

She doesn't work for the Treasury Board, Mr. Drouin. She works for Finance, I believe.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Mr. McCauley, continue, please.

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

I'm going to move on.

Mr. Purves, the government is providing, I think, $500 per public servant working from home, for chairs. Do you know how much that has cost us, or how much it will cost us?

If we're buying 200,000 chairs, for instance, what's the plan when the public servants return to work, with those chairs?

8:50 p.m.

Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

Just stepping back, I don't have those costs with me.

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

That's fine.

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Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

There's no incremental funding provided to be able to cover that, so it's coming from reallocated resources from existing votes.

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Perhaps you can get back to us when you have those numbers.

A year from now, six months from now, hopefully when we have a vaccine and the public servants are returning to their offices, what's going to happen with those assets?