Sure, no problem.
As an example—it was after my time—Service Canada asked for about $8 million for a call centre. I didn't validate those costs, but I would imagine they already have a call centre, since they're Service Canada.
The IT operations team was asking for new resources, but they didn't take on the operation. There were project managers, I'm sure, working against ArriveCAN and being costed against it. Obviously, the Auditor General found a glaring hole with project management.
Overall, the only thing I can say is that these two guys weren't responsible for the $60-million budget or the oversight of it. I'm kind of incensed at the fact that the rest of the CBSA has tried to insulate themselves from their own accountabilities.