Evidence of meeting #108 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Thomas Bigelow
Kristian Firth  Partner, GC Strategies

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I call this meeting to order. Welcome to meeting number 108 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates, fondly known as the mighty OGGO. Thank you to Northern Perspective for that shout-out, as well, for the mighty OGGO.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(c) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, October 17, 2022, the committee is meeting to consider matters related to the ArriveCAN application.

As always, I will remind you to not put earpieces next to the microphones, as that causes feedback and potential injury to our very vital translation department.

Welcome back, Mr. Firth, to OGGO.

Just quickly, colleagues, I'll explain that Mr. Firth's lawyer, Mr. Brent Timmons, will be with us throughout the meeting with his client. Mr. Timmons, though, is not a witness, and thus he may not address the committee. Counsel may be on the Zoom call with the witness and may speak directly to the client, but not to the committee or committee members. I will note for committee members that they should question only the witness; they should not speak to or ask questions of the lawyer, who is not appearing as a witness.

Mr. Firth may from time to time talk to Mr. Timmons, in which case he will turn off his mic. If it is during one of your interventions, we will pause the clock for that moment. We will suspend for 10 minutes after the first two rounds to give Mr. Firth, Mr. Timmons and the members a break. After that, it will be every two rounds that we will suspend for five minutes.

My intent, colleagues, is to have the clerk swear in Mr. Firth, if that is fine with everyone.

Mr. Clerk, go ahead. Then we'll have Mr. Firth for an opening for five minutes.

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The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Thomas Bigelow

Mr. Firth, I just sent you an email. You have the choice of either a religious oath or a solemn affirmation. I will perhaps give you and Mr. Timmons a second to see that email, but I can also walk you through that. Please do let me know if you prefer the oath or the solemn affirmation.

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Kristian Firth Partner, GC Strategies

I'd like the oath, please.

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The Clerk

In the case of the oath, I will read the following passage, and you can respond: Do you swear that the evidence you shall give on this examination shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

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Partner, GC Strategies

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The Clerk

Thank you, sir.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Thank you very much, Mr. Firth.

We will turn the floor over to you for an opening statement. Please go ahead, sir.

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Partner, GC Strategies

Kristian Firth

Thank you.

This is my third time before the committee. I have been compelled to be here.

In the last month, virtually everything reported about my company in the media and stated about me and my company has been false.

I have submitted to the committee a complete list of all contracts we have been awarded from the government in our history. I have included the nominal value of the contract and, more importantly, the full amounts we have invoiced the government under those contracts. We have also included the total amount we have paid our subcontractors under those contracts. As you can see, the amounts paid to GC Strategies are not the astronomical amounts being claimed by some committee members.

Since my last appearance before you, this committee has summoned many departments and their representatives with whom we have had dealings. The committee informed each of these representatives that we were criminals, forgers and fraudulent. The committee said that if the departments did not terminate all our contracts and suspend our ability to obtain contracts, they were negligent and complicit in misusing taxpayer money.

The committee also strongly encouraged each department to refer these matters to the RCMP. As a result, and not surprisingly, each department complied, terminating our agreements and our ability to continue government work. In addition, they have confirmed that matters have been requested and referred to the RCMP for investigation. As a result, although I welcome an independent investigation, because it will exonerate me, the committee has not chosen to wait for the results of that investigation, so I will not be able to answer questions about the matters referred to the RCMP. I trust you'll understand.

GC Strategies has appeared before this committee twice, giving hours of testimony. We have also co-operated throughout the entire study and provided all documentation requested of us. We have been portrayed as reluctant witnesses by some committee members and the media. However, the truth is that we've always been accessible and willing to answer committee members' questions in writing. The committee has not once reached out for a response to a question. Instead, the committee has exercised the most extreme measures: We have had the full weight of the government come down on us, compelling us to be here by subpoena, while the committee knows full well that this is against medical advice, as outlined in the doctors' notes we have provided as part of the evidence package. I'm certain any medical professional would attest that the threat of arrest and detainment would cause undue stress.

Since our first publicized appearance, my business partner and I have received hundreds of threatening and abusive emails, all of which have been documented and shared. I would read these aloud, but to be frank, they are vile and not civil for any audience. The nature of these communications, threatening our lives and the lives of our families and children, has given rise to our reasonable request that future appearances not be televised. The chair, unilaterally and without justification, denied our request and is intent on isolating Mr. Anthony and me from each other and on broadcasting the meetings to the widest possible audience.

Over the past few months, we have had our home addresses and images of our homes published across the media. Journalists have turned up at our private property. Our family members have been confronted, and our young children have been approached and had their privacy violated by strangers who have taken photographs of them while they were in hockey changing rooms. Surely the members of this committee can agree that this isn't an acceptable outcome from this process. Because of these concerns, we have offered to appear in public but requested that such appearances not be televised. Our requests have been rejected; we've been separated, and we're being televised. We can only conclude that the televised nature of today's meeting aids in political goal scoring while we are simultaneously used as media fodder at the expense of our health and the safety of our families. This is neither fair nor reasonable.

I have shown up and will answer questions to the best of my ability, but I may require frequent breaks. I will answer questions for as long as I am able, but I cannot guarantee that I will be able to make it all the way through.

Thank you.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Thanks, Mr. Firth. We would just ask, if you do require additional breaks, that you let us know.

We'll start with Mr. Barrett for six minutes.

Go ahead, please.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Firth, is it correct that you have legal counsel with you this morning?

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Partner, GC Strategies

Kristian Firth

That is correct.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

This is the first of your appearances in which you have had a lawyer present. You didn't in previous appearances.

Have you ever lied to a parliamentary committee before?

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Partner, GC Strategies

Kristian Firth

I think in previous testimony you'd see the answer to that question, with respect to the chalet and the cottage.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Is that a yes?

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Partner, GC Strategies

Kristian Firth

I would advise you to go and watch my previous testimony.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

I was there and asked the question, and of course you did lie about Mr. MacDonald's secondary residence, quite famously, and about it not being a cottage but in fact a chalet. Further, you lied about meeting government officials outside of government offices. Further, you lied about providing hospitality to government officials.

There was a great deal of information requested of you but not furnished to the committee. You promised to tell the committee who in government contacted you about ArriveCAN. That information hasn't been provided to us. You didn't disclose meetings with government officials, and you have failed to provide documentation that the committee has asked you for.

Last week, government officials announced that files concerning GC Strategies' role and involvement in arrive scam had been sent to the RCMP. Did the government make you aware of that, yes or no?

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Partner, GC Strategies

Kristian Firth

No, they have not.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Has the RCMP contacted you about ArriveCAN?

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Partner, GC Strategies

Kristian Firth

No, they have not.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

The RCMP, further, has not interviewed you.

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Partner, GC Strategies

Kristian Firth

That is correct.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Have you been contacted by the RCMP about any work relating to any companies or ventures that you're involved in and their work with the Government of Canada or government officials?

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Partner, GC Strategies

Kristian Firth

No, I have not.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Do you know if your partner, Darren Anthony, has been contacted by the RCMP to the same effect?

11:10 a.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Kristian Firth

I do know, and he has not.