Evidence of meeting #109 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was company.

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Thomas Bigelow
Darren Anthony  Partner, GC Strategies

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Darren Anthony

I have no knowledge of that.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Are you the chief security officer for GC Strategies?

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Did GC Strategies work on ArriveCAN?

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

The Auditor General says that your company was paid nearly $20 million on a $60-million project, and you don't have any knowledge of it as one of two people in a two-person company. Your role specifically is chief security officer of GC Strategies, and your testimony is that you have no knowledge of the security of the data that was collected and whether it was secure.

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Darren Anthony

The security data that I collected is secure.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

What is the data that you collected?

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Darren Anthony

It's people's personal information. It could be passports—

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Are you talking about the users of the app or are you talking about contractors on the app?

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Darren Anthony

I'm talking about contractors on the app.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

As the chief security officer for GC Strategies, you have no idea about where ArriveCAN data was stored.

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Darren Anthony

Absolutely not.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Do you know if anyone outside of Canada worked on the app?

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Darren Anthony

I have no knowledge of that.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Would you say you did more or less work than Kristian Firth did on ArriveCAN?

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Darren Anthony

I would say less.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

He said he did about 10 hours a week, so are you saying you did less than 10 hours a week for $1.25 million?

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Darren Anthony

I work full time. I don't work by the hour.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

On this contract, your partner said that he worked 40 hours per month to earn $2.5 million, of which you say you receive 50%.

The question is about work on this app. You said you worked less than Mr. Firth did, and he said he worked less than 10 hours a week. Is that accurate for you as well, on ArriveCAN?

12:50 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Darren Anthony

I did not work on the app.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Yes, there seems to be a lot of that with your company. It seems that you gentlemen were made millionaires by Canadians, and you didn't do any actual work on Justin Trudeau's $60-million arrive scam. You've come here today and you have no answers.

You expressed that you were concerned about the impact this has on your other business. I think the people who contracted you to do business would be concerned as well after seeing your inability to articulate what it is your company does and how you exercise your role as chief security officer.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Thanks, Mr. Barrett.

Mr. Jowhari, go ahead, please, for five minutes.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Anthony, I'll go back to three periods—2005 to 2010, 2010 to 2015, and the passion found at the time from 2015 to the present.

What kind of trend did you see between 2005 to 2010, and then 2010 to 2015, and then 2015 forward, around requests for either outsourcing or staff augmentation as it relates to the government?

12:55 p.m.

Partner, GC Strategies

Darren Anthony

I did definitely notice an increase from 2010 to 2015.