Evidence of meeting #127 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was emails.
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
I have excerpts of them. I obtained them through my legal counsel.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
Okay.
On the record, can you specifically identify what paragraph relates to any evidence to suggest that it was Mr. MacDonald or Mr. Utano who selected GC Strategies? Just the paragraph, please.
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
Paragraph 12 from Mr. Utano's affidavit: “I was involved in exploring options to be presented—”
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
I don't need you to read it out, sir.
Just paragraph 12 for Mr. Utano: Is that correct?
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
Paragraph 15, where Mr. Utano speaks to Deloitte.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
Paragraph 15? Okay. Is there any other paragraph that speaks to that?
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
As well as paragraphs 14 and 15 from Mr. MacDonald's affidavit....
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
Okay.
I'm going to be asking you, sir, to forward the full affidavits to this committee and we'll specify what sort of time frame. You have no problem doing that?
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
No.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
Okay.
Moving on to the allegations regarding deleted emails, I understand that for the complaint from a whistle-blower, the IT whistle-blower submitted that complaint to Michel Lafleur, CBSA's executive director of professional integrity.
Is that your understanding, sir?
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
That's what I read in The Globe and Mail.
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
My recollection—
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
Yes, he has.
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Conservative
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
Yes, he has.
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Conservative
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
I have not.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
Have you requested a copy of that complaint and it has not been received?
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
I have not requested a copy.
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
Because I know the allegations are false.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
That makes zero sense. You're under investigation. A complaint is levied against you with very serious damning facts that you willfully intentionally deleted relevant emails in relation to the selection of GC Strategies, and your evidence is, “I know it to be false, but I didn't even bother to ask for the misconduct report”.
That is incapable of belief, sir.
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Chief Technology Officer of the Government of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
I would refer you to CBSA, then.