Evidence of meeting #135 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Stéphane Cousineau  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, People and International Platform, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Robin Dubeau  Acting Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Real Property and Infrastructure Solutions, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Mark Allen  Director General, North America, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Robert McCubbing  Deputy Consul General, The Consulate General of Canada, New York, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Shirley Carruthers  Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Planning, Finance and Information Technology, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Perfect.

Will the sale go back into general revenues and then be requested to be repurposed for other things?

1:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Planning, Finance and Information Technology, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Shirley Carruthers

That's correct. When the residence is sold, that funding will go back into the fiscal framework, and our department will have the opportunity to access it through the main estimates.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Is there an intent to access that through the next supplementary estimates?

1:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Planning, Finance and Information Technology, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Shirley Carruthers

We currently have about $215 million available within our proceeds of sale within the fiscal framework, so once the funding we currently have in the fiscal framework is depleted, we will go back and request further funding.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

For this year's mains, would you provide to the committee...? You mentioned that there was a request, so there was a Treasury Board submission for the money for the New York purchase.

Would you provide to us the other submissions that make up that $182.5 million from vote 5?

1:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Planning, Finance and Information Technology, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Shirley Carruthers

What we would be able to do is provide you with our departmental plans, which list how we project spending that funding.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I've read the departmental plans. The information's not in there. Can you provide the justification that you would have presented to the Treasury Board for vote 5?

August 21st, 2024 / 1:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Planning, Finance and Information Technology, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Shirley Carruthers

We didn't provide a specific justification to the Treasury Board for that funding.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

It is just a random lump sum?

1:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Planning, Finance and Information Technology, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Shirley Carruthers

It would be part of our overall planning at the beginning of the fiscal year.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Okay. Why don't we settle on any of the documents you might have, or any of the numbers you have to justify the $182.5 million?

1:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Planning, Finance and Information Technology, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Shirley Carruthers

We can certainly do that.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'd appreciate that.

I have just one last request. I'm sure you watched yesterday's meeting. We were asking for the appraisal and we got bogged down. Could you let us know, perhaps in writing, how many people have access to that appraisal within and outside of the government? PSPC mentioned real estate agents and a few others who may have access to that appraisal. I'd just like to figure out who has access to it.

Ms. Block.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek, SK

Just quickly, I have a point of order, Chair. I just want to ensure, because of some of the conversation that went on after I asked to have tabled with the committee the list of the events, together with the purpose of the events, the number of attendees, and the dates, that the request was agreed to.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I saw nods when it was requested. Is it clear what we're looking for?

1:55 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, People and International Platform, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Stéphane Cousineau

We've already given all of the information that we can provide for the period you've asked about.

1:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Witnesses here today, thank you very much.

Mr. McCubbing from New York, thanks very much for joining us.

We are adjourned. We'll see everyone—

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

We have to go through the budget.

1:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Oh. I apologize. Thank you, Vice-Chair.

Everyone received a copy of the budget for these three meetings. Can we just have...? As usual, we won't spend all of that, but we have to put in a total. Are we in agreement?

(Motion agreed to)

Mr. Jowhari, thank you very much for reminding me. I got carried away with the estimates. What a surprise.

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

I know. I noticed that.

1:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

We are adjourned.