That's no problem. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you to all of the witnesses.
I could follow up on the same theme around the public service's staffing process taking too long and our ability to hire the talent that we need in a relatively short period. In previous testimonies in previous committees, when we heard about the length of time it takes to hire internal staff, it was anywhere from six months to almost a year to get through the process to get the right talent. With the advance of technology, especially in IT and how fast it's evolving, I'm not sure whether the experience you had six months or a year ago that went into the application might be as relevant.
I'd like to hear from both of you. I'll start with Madam Carr.
What do you think about reform? What type of reform in the hiring process do we need to look at? What other reform can we put into the types of IT outsourcing that we're looking at?
If each one of the panellists could cover at least about a minute and a half on it, then it will be my four minutes.
Thank you.