I can't say numbers. I can say that with Indigenous Services Canada in Manitoba, we have a 60% vacancy rate at the moment for nurses, and overall, it's about a 50% vacancy rate for Indigenous Services Canada. It's highly alarming the number of vacancies we have that are not being staffed. When they are staffed, it's agency workers who are making, like I said, a good three and a half, if not more, plus bonuses, plus travel, plus they get their paycheques on time, which is, again, a big draw.
On January 30th, 2023. See this statement in context.