Minister, in the further time that I have, we have also asked you questions about the issue of culture, and you've talked about the need to go outside for information that's going to inform cultural change. That's, I think, potentially a valid argument in principle, but it comes down to where you're going for that information.
You've dismissed questions about the ethical conduct of McKinsey, but if you're relying on McKinsey for information about how to change and shape the culture of National Defence, don't you think that the culture of McKinsey, the ethical conduct of McKinsey and the advice they've given to, for instance, the Saudi government around the treatment of dissidents is relevant to the advice they're going to give you about shaping the culture of the Canadian Armed Forces?