Our previous deputy minister, Jody Thomas, had indicated that she was no longer going to allow a free rein among local management in determining what public service work would be contracted out. She said essentially, from my perspective, that she wanted a business case demonstrating the need for and the value in contracting out, and that otherwise the default would remain within the public service.
We had this written in minutes. We passed this along. We raised it at every local union-management meeting that we could, but still management was not inclined towards it. They may put forward new rules and they may put forward obligations, but until there's an actual negative consequence for not following those rules, not much is going to change at all. That can go for nearly everything within National Defence.
Sometimes if the carrot approach doesn't work, you need the stick, but I think that sometimes, although we find that they're willing to use the stick with our members, it's not being used so much with management with respect to their own rules.