Certainly there are occasions for outsourcing when the work is going to require a specialized field that's not normally required and will not be required on an ongoing basis, definitely, but it's nearly impossible to figure out what that is, because the information that is shared with us on what that outsourcing entails is so limited. Even when we were doing our 2020 report, I put in 45 ATIP requests. I'm still waiting on 27.
I've seen, from the discussion around this table earlier this week, forms being fully redacted and pages being completely blank. This is an ongoing frustration. Frankly, I don't know that there is a lot of coordination in determining what the outsourcing is at National Defence.
I'm reminded of the time when I was a vice-president for Alberta in the north, and I met with the land forces western area commander at the time and asked him to provide me with the list of all the contracting out that he had underneath him. He told me that he would have to stop his entire office working for a full year and work only on that, and they still wouldn't be able to tell me how many contracts they have ongoing, so I'm not sure that we'll be able to necessarily agree on this.