I had a general view of what was happening in government because there's something called GC InfoBase—which I recommend to you—which shows the costs of government. I was not day-to-day manager of the public service; that's the secretary of the Treasury Board. I had a general awareness, but my role as cabinet secretary was really to get things through cabinet and to get initiatives launched and implemented.
On April 24th, 2023. See this statement in context.