Evidence of meeting #80 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rcmp.
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NDP
Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC
Okay.
Has the CBSA ever consulted legal services with respect to Botler's allegations?
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President, Canada Border Services Agency
We have not consulted legal services. I have not sought legal services input. There's an independent investigation from the professional integrity director and an RCMP investigation. I referred it to the RCMP. I don't want to characterize what and how the RCMP is handling it.
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NDP
Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC
Mr. Doan, the 2021 report from Botler was raised to you after it was reported to Antonio Utano.
Did he directly report that to you?
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Chief Technology Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
Based on my memory, that was not raised to my attention.
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NDP
Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC
It was brought to him and he did not bring that report to your attention?
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NDP
Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC
How many projects with GC Strategies, as either a contract or subcontract, were approved under your term as CIO at the CBSA?
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Chief Technology Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
I can endeavour to get you that information. I've not been working with the CBSA since April, but I'll work with CBSA colleagues to get you a fulsome answer.
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NDP
Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Can you also supply the total of the above contracts as well?
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Chief Technology Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
I will work with colleagues to get that information.
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NDP
Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC
Did you apply to your current position at TBS, or were you suggested for the role?
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Chief Technology Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
I was contacted by the current Government of Canada chief information officer, whom I had worked with in my previous role at CBSA, and was offered the opportunity.
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NDP
Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC
Thank you.
I will go back to Mr. Ossowski.
I just want to clarify that you weren't aware of Botler's September 2021 misconduct report to the CBSA.
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NDP
Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC
Okay.
Have you ever received any marketing material with the GC Strategies logo on it?
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Conservative
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
Thank you, Chair.
This question is for both Ms. O'Gorman and Mr. Ossowski.
There are two basic principles when witnesses appear at parliamentary committee. Although they're not sworn to tell the truth, there's an expectation that all witnesses who appear tell the truth and give fulsome answers.
However, both of you testified before committee on December 8, 2022, and made zero reference to the RCMP investigating this matter.
Is that correct?
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Conservative
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
Ms. O'Gorman, did you advise committee on December 8, 2022, that the RCMP was investigating, yes or no?
