Evidence of meeting #88 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Simon Page  Assistant Deputy Minister, Defence and Marine Procurement, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Arianne Reza  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Catherine Poulin  Assistant Deputy Minister, Departmental Oversight Branch , Department of Public Works and Government Services
Michael Mills  Assistant Deputy Minister, Procurement Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Wojo Zielonka  Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Scott Jones  President, Shared Services Canada

11:40 a.m.

Bloc

Julie Vignola Bloc Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I've missed something, I think. I'm going to speak to Mr. Gord Johns' amendment, because I need some clarification.

As I understand it, if we pass the original motion, any member of the committee can recall the report to the House of Commons for a three-hour debate on the matter. However, this in no way prevents the committee from receiving the requested documents and studying them in depth afterwards.

Is my analysis of the original motion correct? Am I wrong that tabling the report saying we've passed the motion—that's all the report says—could lead to a three-hour debate?

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'm sorry. Can you repeat that? I'm having trouble with the interpretation.

Just repeat the question, please.

11:45 a.m.

Bloc

Julie Vignola Bloc Beauport—Limoilou, QC

If I understand correctly, keeping the original motion as is, without Mr. Johns' amendment, any member of the committee could ask the House that the report be debated for three hours.

Have I understood correctly?

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

No. I'm going to step in here.

I'll step back because it seems to have been adjusted as we go. When I look back at the original, from what I can see, it was not to remove (g) and (h), but to remove the part where it says, “the Chair shall be instructed to present as soon as possible a further report to the House recommending that an Order of the House do issue for the foregoing documents”.

I think that is what Mr. Johns was intending or was originally—

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I have a point of order.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'll get to you. I'm sorry.

11:45 a.m.

Bloc

Julie Vignola Bloc Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Could I have a copy of the motion?

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Colleagues, I'm going to suspend for two seconds. We're going to go back and double-check the transcript just to confirm things. Again, we end up with subamendments to subamendments of things that were apparently never intended to begin with.

We'll suspend for two seconds, colleagues.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

We're back.

Mr. Johns, go ahead briefly.

11:45 a.m.

NDP

Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC

I'm going to withdraw.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

You're going to withdraw.

We need consent for Mr. Johns to withdraw that.

11:45 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

(Amendment withdrawn)

Thank you.

We're going to go back to the original speaking order, now that the amendment has been withdrawn.

We are with Mr. Kusmierczyk, so we're back on the original debate.

Go ahead, Mr. Kusmierczyk.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Can I ask for a brief suspension? Can you give us one quick minute, Mr. Chair?

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

For what purpose, please?

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

I need to clarify our direction here moving forward. We just need a quick suspension, please.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I have a point of order.

From whom do you need direction?

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'm not going to suspend for that. We have quite a—

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

I need clarification on what just transpired.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

We're not going to suspend. I can clarify that for you.

I will repeat that Mr. Johns has withdrawn his amendment, and now we're back to the original speaking order on the motion.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Okay. I'm happy to do that.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Thanks.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Mr. Chair, as a Windsorite, I think that this is the most important investment in the history of our community. It is important that, when we talk about it, we talk about this investment in facts, not in political games, not in what we're seeing—false information and confusion being sown by the Conservative Party, by Conservative members. This is not the place to play politics—with people's livelihoods, with this investment that is the most important investment in the history of my community.

By way of a little bit of context, eight years ago my community of Windsor had an unemployment rate of 11.2% under the Conservative government. The present leader of the Conservative opposition was the then minister of employment, but he might as well have been the minister of unemployment for manufacturing communities like mine, which had 11.2% unemployment. There was 11.2% unemployment in my community.

This investment, this battery plant, is the single most important investment in the history of my community. It is important that when members of Parliament talk about it, they speak in facts. I want to put forward some of those facts.

I spoke last week with the current president of Unifor Local 444, Dave Cassidy. I also had a chance to speak this weekend with the CEO of the NextStar battery plant. Here are the facts.

There will be 2,500 full-time jobs building batteries, building two million batteries every year at that battery plant, the Stellantis battery plant. Those workers will be local, will be Canadian and will be unionized. There are 900 workers currently building the battery plant. When all is said and done, there will be 2,300 workers building the battery plant. I had a chance to tour it. Those workers are all local. They're all Canadian.

Don't take my word for it. Dave Cassidy, the president of Unifor Local 444, which will represent the 2,500 permanent workers at the battery plant—the person who represents all the Stellantis workers at the Windsor Assembly Plant—says: “We are going to have 2,500...Unifor 444 workers building batteries in that facility”, and they will be building those batteries for generations to come. This is what else he says: “The Koreans are going to come over, and they're going to assist in the building of the proprietary equipment [that will go into that building]—and [that is] nothing new.” What he means by that is this: Anyone who has ever set foot in a manufacturing factory will know that, when you install machinery or equipment from abroad, the companies from abroad send their workers to help install that machinery and equipment because they have the know-how. They built it. They have the know-how, and they have the proprietary information. The equipment is proprietary.

It's the same way in Windsor. When you have local companies, such as CenterLine or Valiant—Windsor companies—installing equipment, whether it's in Alabama, Germany or Japan, they will fly Windsor workers to install the equipment, to test the equipment and to debug the equipment. It is part of the contract. They are contractually obligated to do so to maintain the warranty of that equipment.

Dave Cassidy goes on to say that this is nothing but “political hay” and a "circus" given the misinformation being shared with the committee and Canadians. Dave Cassidy goes on to say that, if Pierre Poilievre had his way, this battery plant wouldn't even be built—wouldn't even be built.

The president of Unifor Canada, Lana Payne, published an article this weekend with the headline, “Canadians deserve better than misinformed battery plant debate”. This is the president of Unifor, the largest private sector union in Canada representing hundreds of thousands of workers, including automotive workers at Stellantis and at Ford.

This is what Lana Payne writes: “Anyone who knows anything about the start-up of major industrial projects knows that it takes a lot of different people, in many different jobs, to pull these things together.”

That didn't stop the information mill from working overtime, referring to the Conservative misinformation mill.

Ms. Payne, president of Unifor, goes on to say, “Conservative leader, Pierre Poilievre, the ringleader of this media circus, went so far as to call for a national inquiry into the matter.” Lana Payne, the president of Unifor, goes on to say:

For one thing, there is nothing new about Canadian firms leaning on foreign professionals when launching new industrial projects. Anyone who has spent half-a-second studying the auto industry knows there isn't a single, mass-scale battery cell production facility operating in Canada. This is the reason Stellantis opted for a joint venture with LG Energy in the first place: to tap into this technical expertise. This is no different than what happens during a new vehicle product launch. In fact, teams of U.S. workers were temporarily brought over the border to help get the GM Ingersoll plant up and running and building new EV delivery vans. This plant also received substantial government investment. No one batted an eye.

She continues—and this, again, is the president of Unifor, Lana Payne—“It's embarrassing, quite frankly, the tenor of political debate on this issue”, and this is the important part to me and to every resident of Windsor:

And it's doing a disservice to all of us who have been scratching and clawing to rebuild the auto industry into the powerhouse it once was—no thanks to harmful Conservative trade policy or economic ideology.... No one has more at stake in this matter than Canadian autoworkers.

These are the Canadian autoworkers that Unifor represents.

I don't understand, quite frankly. I don't understand why the opposition MPs around this table ignore what the president of Unifor says. I don't understand why the opposition members around this table are ignoring what David Cassidy says. Dave Cassidy is the president of Local Unifor 444 in Windsor, representing thousands of auto workers at Stellantis in Windsor, the Windsor assembly plant, and will be representing 2,500 workers who will be permanently building batteries in the battery plant in Windsor. I don't understand it. I don't understand it.

Our message, of course, when I met with NextStar was to say that—

Noon

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I have a point of order, Chair, on relevance.

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Continue, Mr. Kusmierczyk.